good answer. While we'd want to avoid the spamming of a channel, I think it's good to have a channel named something like Engagement Channel. People can put links to posts that contain a lot of views + comments since none of us will be able to find those on our own. I mentioned wanting to get that data from the Steemit website. I'd still be interested in getting such a tool. Then, we can have manual curators go through those high engagement posts to determine if they are being gamed by bots or not. The posts that are being gamed would be shunned, thereby not receiving rewards. I think eventually the behavior would cease since it wouldn't be rewarded. We may even choose to flag it if it is obviously filled with bot comments......??? thoughts?
Let's see what people think about this.
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I was thinking it would be good for each guild member to have a specific category for which they find the best content. Using the new page and the tags utility should offer a way to achieve this.
I'm with you. I have twice spent a couple of hours searching through available block chain tool attempting to find a way to display a list of most commented active posts, to no avail.
This would be very useful for finding out which posts are engaging the community the most. If course, the post would have to be checked to make sure it isn't merely spam, but genuine conversation.
This is why I included in the how you can help category offering technical ability. If someone was able to develop a simple tool that can extract an up-to-date list of the most commented active posts, it would be so easy to find which posts are inciting the most discussion.
As I am not developer, I am not sure how much of a task that would be, but it seems to me that for someone with the know-how it should not be all that difficult.
As for flags, I really think we should avoid using them at any time. If people are going to delegate their voting power to us, then they will predominantly be doing so with the belief that we will be using it to reward great content. So let's do that, and that alone.
If someone does try to game the guild, knowing that it is there for the good of the whole community, then I feel that person should be blacklisted and not eligible for future support from the guild. I don't think there should be second chances given either... But, this is obviously something we will talk about among ourselves.
I'm thinking if we give this post 24 hours to allow people the opportunity to find it, by that time we should know who is wanting to help and we can invite everyone to a channel on discord and get some real discussion about how we are going to proceed.
as a perfect example: this post that was just published has 42 views, 33 comments.
One of the highest trending articles from yesterday, which is in the top 5 highest rewards has only 46 total views.....
nest limit...
You're absolutely right:
We are not defined by one set of criteria. I think it could be beneficial like you said for some of to focus on certain areas of interest. For me, I am not good at sorting through new posts. That certainly takes a very patient sort of person. I would like to specialize in finding high engagement posts, 4KHQ, satire, humor
Yes that would be great. Then if we can find an avid reader among the community that frequently reads all the fiction on here, they would be best to suggest the outstanding fiction pieces-- and they wouldn't really be doing anything they didn't do anyway.
I would personally like to tackle the art, as I love viewing art and would not even consider it to be work. It would likely be more of a therapeutic experience.
@abit, @personz, @clayop and @ned. Any help with getting a tool programmed to locate the posts with the most engagement (comments and eyeball views) would be very helpful for our guild to be optimal and successful.
"Sort by number of views" can only be done by Steemit. "Sort by number of comments" can be done by many 3rd devs, E.G. steemdb.com, steemdata.com, Streemian and etc.
ill point out the same thing i did in the SG post -- it simpply isnt that labor intensive to do it with like normal reading... probably the issue that most requires a tool is the division of labor... that is to say, if the X number of guild members spend a couple hours a day reading and noting the level of engagement, provided there's some way to make sure they are covering different ground from one another, that should be sufficient to see most things.
It would be cool to see more feed options than the ones we have now, such as this, or even more complex kinds of filtering.
I'd consider making this as a standalone tool in the mean time.
While @abit is right, it doesn't make it any more accessible to the average Jo. I'd also disagree with @sigmajin, there's a lot of things we can do manually but there's no reason we shouldn't leverage the available technology to make the process better. The labour intensity scales with the platform and could potentially be prohibitively intensive soon.
yeah, sure, that works too. Since curie and SG don't allow controversial subjects (religion, politics, etc.) maybe we need to niche down a little and give controversial posts a boost? This is not going to be easy. The idea of this guild is to live by the expression, "Anything goes." If it gets reads and engagement, well then it should be rewarded. This could also help people become more authentic instead of just voting for mediocre stuff that happens to trend. I think that would be the big goal of this guild.....Engagement Guild? Is that the name?
Yes, but we ought to reward more than just high engagement posts.
What about a level 25-55 user that has less than 10 followers that releases an excellent post that would have engaged the community had more people got the opportunity to see it?
Then it would fall on us to reward this post, hopefully get it into twenty trending posts so that it might increase its visibility, resulting in the engagement that was previously not there.
As for a name though, I haven't a clue right now. It sounds like another thing we ought to give some serious thought and discussion, because we want the name to promote the correct message. Perhaps I may even offer a bounty to the community to come up with a name, which will maybe provide us with hundreds of options to choose from.
Here's my nomination: Combustor.
Get it
Because youre looking for a better solution than steem currently provides.
Also nominate "Incension"
Sort have a fire thing going i guess
@ervin-lemark, have any ideas for programming such a tool?
you realize that this will be very difficult to do right?
My thought was that this guild fills in the gaps of the other guilds. The other guilds so far are not supporting controversial, humor, high engagement, people with high rep, etc......part of me thinks that if we focus our attention on certain areas we will have more success in filling in the gaps. What you're describing, with each person focused on different subject areas is starting to sound exactly like what SG does. I don't think recreating the entire wheel will be a good idea. It all depends on how much people really get on board. Do you understand my concerns?
Curie supports new authors. I think we should let Curie do that, and focus more specifically on things that neither Guild will even touch.
But with that, no post is "off limits" unless it's illegal...
the reason to re-invent the wheel (so to speak) is that the wheel currently charges the reward pool thousands of dollars a week to turn.
Oh. Lol. After all we discussed I could not have been clear enough about my idea. I don't want to fill the gaps. I want to improve on the current system that is damaging the site, and eventually negate the need for them to exist- or at the very least get them to follow a better model, or join us if their intentions are really to make steemit better and to reward the best content.
If we have something that works better and doesn't afflict the platform with any negative side-effects, then if those in guilds that are damaging the platform do not get on board, their true colours and their true motivations will be exposed.
I am optimistic enough to hope that they will be excited to see something better out there, and will try to help.
So you think there's a need for this kind of tool? 🤔 I'm collecting interesting ideas for devs to work on (so far it's just me)
Just saw @stellabelle 's comment, I guess there is!
I was searching for it because I wanted to start doing posts like, "10 most active discussions on Steemit for you to get involved in right now" for people that like discussions as much as I do.
I had no luck finding a way to filter post results by comments though. I was a little surprised. You can do so much with some of these tools, and arranging posts by comments sounds like a much more simple thing than all the complex analytical tools available.
I created an idea ticket for this at the Steem FOSSbot org, will do it if I can get to it, or any other dev is welcome to try! bump for @stellabelle
https://github.com/Steem-FOSSbot/Steem-FOSSbot.github.io/issues/10