That wasn't the point, what we've been saying has completely gone over your head. The issue we're bringing up is effort vs rewards for that effort. Numerous people produce some high end work and it hardly gets seen and makes next to nothing, or literally does make nothing. Meanwhile someone can just log in, type "LOL" and click post and BOOM more income from typing 3 characters than a full day of minimum wage labor.
I have spent 5+ hours on just writing a single post that barely makes a few cents while someone can literally just make a throw away shitpost and score bags. That is the issue. Effort. High effort doesn't get rewarded meanwhile low or no effort gets heavily rewarded.
Why should anyone continue to really put in a ton of effort if all that's going to happen is we'll get ignored and unrewarded while content that takes literally no effort at all rakes everything in?
Why should I spend 66+ hours researching scientific articles and sifting through tons of complex information to write a quality post on the future of mankind as an interstellar species on Steemit when someone else can literally post a no effort post? Is my quality of work as a scientist, software developer, researcher and deaf activist worth less than someone who posts low effort garbage on Steemit?
"I have spent 5+ hours on just writing a single post that barely makes a few cents while someone can literally just make a throw away shitpost and score bags. " The problem is that you expect to get a reward. Which makes you come across as entitled.
I spent 8 months writing hundreds of articles on a website. I barely made $100. I don't go around complain though since I wasn't entitled. I wasn't giving what the market wanted. You have to adjust to the current market place.
"Numerous people produce some high end work and it hardly gets seen and makes next to nothing" this is not true. First of all it takes around 1-2 years of smart and hard work daily before you even get on the map. Steemit has barely existed for 2 years. So there is a lack of perspective here. You need a solid content strategy to succeed and you also need to leverage work + connections + capital. You need to be able to build trust and relationships with people. You need to be both Street Smart + Book Smart.
"someone can just log in, type "LOL" and click post and BOOM more income from typing 3 characters than a full day of minimum wage labor." no it doesn't work like that. That won't be sustainable for long. Majority of stake holders are not doing that either. It's a waste of time trying to look at the minority. And people can do what they want with their stake. That is the cool thing about this place. You don't earn insane amounts of rewards by self upvote. With a few thousand Steem you can get maybe 1-2 Steem by self upvote a day. That is not so much. So it's not unfair for anyone.
"Why should anyone continue to really put in a ton of effort if all that's going to happen is we'll get ignored and unrewarded while content that takes literally no effort at all rakes everything in?" this is because you don't put enough time and energy into commenting and building up connections. Yes it takes a lot of time. But it's the same for everyone else.
If someone invested early then clearly they will have more Stake. They took a risk. If they made a profit they can do what they desire with it. You are in competition with the whole world also. Since we now have globalism. This means you always need to improve your game.
Then I suppose you wouldn't mind a simple change to make the stakes more fair. Instead of the current system that puts things on the front page, how about things instead be chronologically ordered as they're posted without things sticking up at the top for very long at all? Would you be in favor of something like this?
Makes perfect sense to me, granted I already knew you'd say something like that. How did I know? Because I can merely look at your voting power and easily determine you literally like the system just the way it is, because you already heavily benefit from the lack of fairness with the algorithms that push your content for me to see when I don't even follow you.
You don't want a freshly cycled front page with the newest content regardless of account age or SP because you're quite cushy there at the top. Making it more fair means you actually have to work harder like the rest of us to get your content seen and you don't like that do you?
How dare a small fry like myself suggest a better and more equitable system that provides a better potential for spreading new content from numerous creators to have a better shake. How dare I, someone who already networks with commenting and the like, suggest a system that would vastly improve the system that would rock that foundation so more fresh content is easier to find?
You called me entitled. But someone with an account with more power than my own (you) feels entitled to that front page spot because now that you are where you are, you don't want the competition.
Maybe you can't compete when the playing field isn't stacked in your favor?
I have worked hard for almost a year at this place. I have not got anything delivered on a silver spoon. I have sacrificed months at this place. I have even lost my home because of dedication to this place. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have took risks, built connections, worked hard and used my own capital. This conversation is over.
Great to see you also abuse the flagging system as well. Interesting. So you are a Steemit abuser. Good to know, this will be good information that everyone needs to see.
@phoneinf As if the Whale who votes for himself doesn't expect a reward; talk about entitlement and hypocrisy. Go ahead, flag them a few times; see how they react! I don't expect a reward; I expect my work to be seen and rise or fall by it's own merit because if it doesn't, I haven't really succeeded, ..nor have I failed.
I am not some freeloader, I paid for at least half of my Steem, and the next time I buy Crypto I may just save myself the additional overhead of converting it to Steem.
Yes you are confused and missed the point entirely. My initial point was not about the potential future worth of Steem, it was about the social media aspect of Steem being easily dominated by SP. When @outtheshellvlog pointed this out you changed the subject.
I find your characterization of the small investor as entitled unwarranted as you do not apply the same standard to the large investor. Greetings!
Large relative to what? I don't play the comparison game. Yes I think lower SP account should show some respect to bigger sp accounts. Poor people should buy rich people dinner. That would make the poor learn all the secrets about the rich. Also known as humility. All SP account except maybe 10 100K ones are small ones. So say you have large investors here doesnt apply lol. Unless you consider the 10 big accounts.
That wasn't the point, what we've been saying has completely gone over your head. The issue we're bringing up is effort vs rewards for that effort. Numerous people produce some high end work and it hardly gets seen and makes next to nothing, or literally does make nothing. Meanwhile someone can just log in, type "LOL" and click post and BOOM more income from typing 3 characters than a full day of minimum wage labor.
I have spent 5+ hours on just writing a single post that barely makes a few cents while someone can literally just make a throw away shitpost and score bags. That is the issue. Effort. High effort doesn't get rewarded meanwhile low or no effort gets heavily rewarded.
Why should anyone continue to really put in a ton of effort if all that's going to happen is we'll get ignored and unrewarded while content that takes literally no effort at all rakes everything in?
Why should I spend 66+ hours researching scientific articles and sifting through tons of complex information to write a quality post on the future of mankind as an interstellar species on Steemit when someone else can literally post a no effort post? Is my quality of work as a scientist, software developer, researcher and deaf activist worth less than someone who posts low effort garbage on Steemit?
"I have spent 5+ hours on just writing a single post that barely makes a few cents while someone can literally just make a throw away shitpost and score bags. " The problem is that you expect to get a reward. Which makes you come across as entitled.
I spent 8 months writing hundreds of articles on a website. I barely made $100. I don't go around complain though since I wasn't entitled. I wasn't giving what the market wanted. You have to adjust to the current market place.
"Numerous people produce some high end work and it hardly gets seen and makes next to nothing" this is not true. First of all it takes around 1-2 years of smart and hard work daily before you even get on the map. Steemit has barely existed for 2 years. So there is a lack of perspective here. You need a solid content strategy to succeed and you also need to leverage work + connections + capital. You need to be able to build trust and relationships with people. You need to be both Street Smart + Book Smart.
"someone can just log in, type "LOL" and click post and BOOM more income from typing 3 characters than a full day of minimum wage labor." no it doesn't work like that. That won't be sustainable for long. Majority of stake holders are not doing that either. It's a waste of time trying to look at the minority. And people can do what they want with their stake. That is the cool thing about this place. You don't earn insane amounts of rewards by self upvote. With a few thousand Steem you can get maybe 1-2 Steem by self upvote a day. That is not so much. So it's not unfair for anyone.
"Why should anyone continue to really put in a ton of effort if all that's going to happen is we'll get ignored and unrewarded while content that takes literally no effort at all rakes everything in?" this is because you don't put enough time and energy into commenting and building up connections. Yes it takes a lot of time. But it's the same for everyone else.
If someone invested early then clearly they will have more Stake. They took a risk. If they made a profit they can do what they desire with it. You are in competition with the whole world also. Since we now have globalism. This means you always need to improve your game.
Then I suppose you wouldn't mind a simple change to make the stakes more fair. Instead of the current system that puts things on the front page, how about things instead be chronologically ordered as they're posted without things sticking up at the top for very long at all? Would you be in favor of something like this?
What? That makes 0 sense. This place is run by upvotes.
Makes perfect sense to me, granted I already knew you'd say something like that. How did I know? Because I can merely look at your voting power and easily determine you literally like the system just the way it is, because you already heavily benefit from the lack of fairness with the algorithms that push your content for me to see when I don't even follow you.
You don't want a freshly cycled front page with the newest content regardless of account age or SP because you're quite cushy there at the top. Making it more fair means you actually have to work harder like the rest of us to get your content seen and you don't like that do you?
How dare a small fry like myself suggest a better and more equitable system that provides a better potential for spreading new content from numerous creators to have a better shake. How dare I, someone who already networks with commenting and the like, suggest a system that would vastly improve the system that would rock that foundation so more fresh content is easier to find?
You called me entitled. But someone with an account with more power than my own (you) feels entitled to that front page spot because now that you are where you are, you don't want the competition.
Maybe you can't compete when the playing field isn't stacked in your favor?
I have worked hard for almost a year at this place. I have not got anything delivered on a silver spoon. I have sacrificed months at this place. I have even lost my home because of dedication to this place. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have took risks, built connections, worked hard and used my own capital. This conversation is over.
Great to see you also abuse the flagging system as well. Interesting. So you are a Steemit abuser. Good to know, this will be good information that everyone needs to see.
@the-oracool that came and downvoted. Are you implying I'm lying? Just curious.
@phoneinf As if the Whale who votes for himself doesn't expect a reward; talk about entitlement and hypocrisy. Go ahead, flag them a few times; see how they react! I don't expect a reward; I expect my work to be seen and rise or fall by it's own merit because if it doesn't, I haven't really succeeded, ..nor have I failed.
I am not some freeloader, I paid for at least half of my Steem, and the next time I buy Crypto I may just save myself the additional overhead of converting it to Steem.
What specific part are you replying to? You wrote to a reply that I did to another guy. Kinda confusing.
Yes you are confused and missed the point entirely. My initial point was not about the potential future worth of Steem, it was about the social media aspect of Steem being easily dominated by SP. When @outtheshellvlog pointed this out you changed the subject.
I find your characterization of the small investor as entitled unwarranted as you do not apply the same standard to the large investor. Greetings!
Large relative to what? I don't play the comparison game. Yes I think lower SP account should show some respect to bigger sp accounts. Poor people should buy rich people dinner. That would make the poor learn all the secrets about the rich. Also known as humility. All SP account except maybe 10 100K ones are small ones. So say you have large investors here doesnt apply lol. Unless you consider the 10 big accounts.