I want to start by saying that I am a born again believer in Jesus. I have gone to many churches here in the U.S. and seen some things. I am moving into a space of universal connection and not limiting my experience.
With that being said, all of this is just an opinion.
I was reading the other day on facebook a few posts about The Great Falling Away. There have been several prominent Christian leaders that have walked away.
It is never clear as to why, or even where they have gone. Did they walk away from a brick and mortar, or from God. There is a big difference.
Today I want to drop some ideas toward what Paul said in 2 Thes. about the falling away.
For years have heard people talk about the falling away as an event that is coming in the future. My idea is...what if the falling away has already happened. What if we are just so used to the environment how it is and we don't actually notice.
That could mean that there are many people that could be blindly moving forward...but maybe in the wrong direction. There could also be people that are walking away from tue brick and mortar, but as actually waking up to God's truth.
Just an idea. I would love to hear your ideas, but not a debate.
Be well
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Oh the great falling away has all ready start you can see that a few differnt places in the Bible. For example:
Look John is telling us that brethren is being put out of the church, so while John himself was still alive we know that it was happening and happening enough that he had to write about it!
A couple of questions, and not just aimed at you! You said something like what is the heart of God, that reminded me of when people say that the "love God". I like to ask, ok you love God but what does that mean and how do you show God love? I normally get some vague generic answer but for me I turn to the Bible...
You also mentioned lawlessness...oh man that is everywhere these days. Many people thinking they know better than the Creator, well those that believe in Him in the first place. The simple definition of lawlessness is one that breaks the law...right? We know that the lawless one is the working of Satan (2 Thessalonians 2:9) Ok, what do we know about Satan, loaded question I suppose. But what I am asking is that in Genesis 2:16-17 God said to Adam "And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Now the serpant comes along in Genesis 3 and is already questioning what God said. Verse 1 "Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” Then the women added to what was told to Adam in verse 2 and 3. So what happened here? Satan questioned God's word, then deceived "man" to add to what God said and all this caused them to sin against God. Circling back around to...ok but how does the Bible define sin?
All this means is the man of lawlessness is the one who disregards the commandments of God and breaks them. How do we know what the commandments are, we have to look to "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints."(Jude 1:3) Paul also tells us:
Keep seeking my friend and I pray that this is edifing to not only you but for anyone else they may read it!
Man that was great. I enjoyes reading it and could feel your passion. I have been in several conversations with believers about God's law and God's commands. The two phrases seem to be used interchangeably. Would you say that when Jesus speaks about the law and the commands that He is speaking of the 10, and more so with The Spirit, or would you say that Jesus is speaking of the 600+ levitican law? I have gotten answers from many points of view...what do you think?
Where to begin....
Lets start with John 1:1, 14 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Ok so from here we can see that Jesus is the Word of God and that Jesus and God are the same.
In John 7:15-17 Jesus confirms that he didn't come with a different message but is only speaking God's word. " 15 And the Jews marveled, saying, “How does this Man know letters, having never studied?” 16 Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."
Jesus came to bring the commandments of God to a greater meaning, people became too obsessed with keep rules and established rules and tradition that they put above the commandments.
Paul also warned of the same thing...
Since Jesus taught against the traditions of men and only taught what came from the Father, so I know that He was speaking about all the commandments of God. Now I have heard people say that He fulfilled all of those. My question would be how could he fulfill commandments that applied only to women or priests when He wasn't any one of those?
All of the commandments are to be kept and followed. Now can everyone of them be in this day and age...no! There is no temple, Levitical priest hood, etc.. but that doesn't mean they have been done away with.
He is saying that until the new heavens and new earth are here we are still supposed to be following God's law. Note that in the millennial kingdom God's law will be what judges the people of the earth.
We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth, what is truth? Jesus tells us in John 17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth."
I'll close with this, when asked what the greatest commandments are he quotes Deuteronomy 6:4 and Leviticus 19:18.
Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see an answer in there. Just a simple answer. When you use Laws and Commandments....do you view it as keeping the ten or the 600+. It is a simple answer, but a complicated theology haha.
It is not a simple answer....but to answer your question Yes in keeping all of them, all the commandments given to Moses for God's people. But again you have to remember that we can't keep all of them because of certain conditions.
He kept them all, making Him sinless and we should do our best to follow Him. We have only one perfect example in the Bible so why would we want to do something different than He did?
Reminder that Jesus didn't come to preach something different.
That's very interesting and insightful! Yahweh is definitely calling us all to know Him personally and experientially, and that doesn't necessarily mean regularly attending religious services, which our grandsires considered sooo important. We don't have a home church either, but are open minded to attending in the future. Having the unique experience of working in a couple churches for most of my working life thus far, I have a little different perspective than a lot of believers as I've seen the inner workings of some of the religious establishment. For some pastors, it's more about building their own little kingdom than Gods kingdom, and many churches are run like corrupt government corporations, whilst doing things in Gods name. I firmly believe we need to be witnesses of God operating in our lives before we even think about "witnessing" to others. Otherwise, are we just trying to propagate religion? Don't know about the falling away having happened already, although the religious institutions have consistently been corrupted from the inside over and over again. Roman Catholicism turned into a cult quite a long time ago, and they never repented of that, which is why the Lutheran Reformation happened. At least the Catholics let people read the Bible in their own language, now. Of course, that's because they couldn't stop it from happening, but they still don't promote it, though they do, like you said, claim papal infallibility over and above anything else, including the Bible. And now the pope is promoting "Chrislam", which I find very interesting because Yeshua said in the end times, people would be killing believers, and thinking that doing so was a service to God, which, admittedly, has been happening for some time now in various places. Perhaps it's going to ramp up soon in the west. And, on that cheerful thought, goodnight! ;-) But, seriously, it also says in the Bible that God will send the people who reject Him a powerful delusion so they'll believe the lie, and it'll be a separation of the wheat and the chaff, as it were. Kind of like what happened with Pharaoh in Moses' time when He hardened Pharaohs heart so He could display His power and pour out His wrath on the persecutors. Anyway, those are some of my thoughts. Thanks for posting!
Wow! Thank you fornsuvh a thought out comment. I am glad you enjoyed this vlog!! God is so good!