I saw this on vigilante.tv but didn't know what to make of it.
Comments from HIVE showing up there, but i could not figure out where HIVE votes were actually going.
All the videos are posted by @tdvtv
Some videos are also posted about by the creators actual HIVE account.
So, are you breaking out all the @tdvtv payouts, and sending them to the original creators?
Creators get 90% of the paouts from vigilante.tv if they have a Hive account.
And if they don't? Do you just pocket the money and exploit these often deplatformed individuals for your own benefits?
We encourrage them to create an account (take a look at how many Hive accounts we reffer helping to expand the platform). If they don't want to we use the funds to help with servers and development. A lot of the creators don't even want the tokens but are happy with all the new viewers they get and the links to their sites and content. No one has ever requested to be taken off and if they would we would do so emediately.
There's literally no proof of your claim.
Have you heard or read any complaints form a single creator?
Hive ain't big enough to be noticed. Quick pretending we are some massive platform. It is often easy to hide and reap from content creators who have no idea Hive exists.
There is no proof whatsoever that you guys aren't the ones controlling these content creators' "accounts" in a long-strung launder scheme.
Until I see them putting Hive profile links on their main platform(s), I don't believe a single word you say.
And it will not be until the Hive community embraces innovation. We are around 5 million views on our platform now and you can check the how many new people we are bringin in to Hive. Like I said, we contact ALL contact creators and Jeff knows most of them personally (so do I) and most are linking to their vigilante.tv channel. It is easy to check this.
We are having creators with big followings linking to Hive, expanding it's base. It is a good thing for Hive and it's users.
From my cynical years of experience on this chain, I doubt the actual content creators are as involved as they claim they are.
Some of them are happy to syndicate their content (which is not a bad thing) and just post on Hive regardless of engagement.
The "handlers" on Hive's side reap all the benefits whether or not the content creators know their content is being monetized without their knowledge or permission.
Much hope. Much cynasism. That describes HIVE.... or the beginning of Steem.
I am glad you are asking the tough questions.
Most of the content creators of these videos, just push to HIVE/Steem along with pushing to all the other platforms.
Rarely any discussion in the comments. Rarely any direct feedback.
A lot of times, they don't even bother to mention Hive on their About page or their list of social media.
It makes you wonder what they are ashamed of. Or is it because of taxes? If so, when those 87K IRS agents drop over a period of 10 years, you'll be audited for other stuff one way or another.
Yeah, i had to dig a little... then find that the back end was a HIVE product... and then...
However, this group has always done things kinda never professional level.
They are a jump in and do it... and solve the problems later kind of group.
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That is understandable. The HiveTube plugin we developed for Vigilante.tv which is a peertube instance is not really integral to our goals with the platform but just a way for viewers and content creators to earn a little. The the way Hive is set up forces every video that is added to vigilante.tv to appear on peakd which is unfortunate. If there was a way to avoid that and only have it appear on our platform I would do it. So far the only way would be to fork Hive and I don't really want to develop that right now.
A couple of suggestions that would make things more believable:
For example, I can't even find any mention of Hive when I jump to @pressfortruth's many social media pages. That really doesn't make me feel confident about this content creator's presence on Hive (and I don't know if they are involved with you guys. It's just an example.)
PeakD does have a badge system you guys could use to let people know when a creator is verified. How that vetting process work is another story.
Better yet, it would be cool if you guys could send the proceeds to those creators without accounts. They might eventually come to Hive.
It doesn't seem right to have you guys reap 100% of the rewards from those without accounts. The incentives there scream making sure that particular creator doesn't get an account (especially if it gets whale support) so you guys can still take all the rewards instead.
It always bothers me greatly when other people's content is pumped out here and we can only rely on some folks' words that they are being honest with the funds.
My philosophy has always been, "when money is involved, assume nobody is honest until they can prove otherwise".
I want to emphasize that the problem is not how the videos display on PeakD (or any frontends). It's the way the rewards are being allocated that some folks find suspicious.
Those are good points and something we DO think about. For now we ask creators to link to their channel on vigilante.tv / dollarvigilante.tv in their video description like here from Sat Yoga ( Regarding people without accounts we ask them to create one but some doesn't want to yet. I suggested @kencode who programmed HiveTube and talks to some of the whales that they could just tell use where to send 100% of the funds of creators who does not have an account which I think would be a good solution that I would implement instantly!