Should we allow drugs and prostitution?

in #freedom7 years ago

Over the past decades, the topic of drugs and prostitution legalization is becoming hotter and hotter. More and more developed countries are choosing to liberalize one or both of these industries, with Netherlands being the leader in this field. In many underdeveloped countries, drugs and prostitution are officially illegal but mostly unsanctioned in practice, with Thailand being one of the prominent examples.

It seems to me that the consequences and moral issues of both light drugs and prostitution legalization are quite similar, so I opted to discuss them together. I’ll go ahead and give you my opinion immediately: both should be legal, but very strictly regulated.

First of all, it is important to note that that the vast majority of the countries already formally or informally allows some forms of drugs and prostitution. Alcohol and tobacco are drugs. Pornographic actresses and gold diggers are common examples of quasi-prostitutes. The fact that it is widely considered normal for these products and activities to be legal, while the same cannot be told for marijuana or traditional prostitution, leads to a conclusion that much of the resistance to drugs and prostitution legalization comes from the general resistance to change and fear of anything new inherited in the minds of numerous people.

Many traditional people consider drug usage and prostitution degrading. The fact that they do consider it degrading has a much lower importance than the freedom of all individuals to do what they like, as long as they are not hurting the society. This is very my “strictly regulated” comes from. I believe that hurting self significantly should be illegal, as hurting self mostly leads to hurting the society. If you wander the streets wasted from heavy mind-altering and highly addictive drugs, you represent a danger to the people around you. If you get sexually transmitted illnesses and continue having sex, you are damaging the health of your society.

Two more arguments for liberalization are the facts that it is impossible to effectively control all forms of drugs and prostitution, and that letting go of the control doesn’t even lead to the increase in usage. For example, according to the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, the Dutch are among the lowest users of marijuana in Europe, despite the Netherlands' policy on soft drugs being one of the most liberal on the continent.

But what can and should be controlled is the quality and safety. Being a freelance business plan writer, I have recently written a business plan for a huge cannabis complex in California, and I can tell you that the legal standards and quality control are very, very high. Isn’t it better to regulate the marijuana production in order to make sure that the quality is very high thus minimizing health risks than to leave that up to illegal laboratories and criminal dealers? The same goes for prostitution, isn’t it better to make sure that prostitution is focused in a designated part of the city, that the ladies of the night have regular health checks, and that no one is forced into prostitution, or we should leave this up to pimps and dirty basements?

Many people claim that marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs. If this was true, alcohol and tobacco would be gateways to marijuana, thus you would need to ban them too should you follow that principle. One thing is definitely true: selling marijuana is a gateway for criminals to obtain huge amounts of money, which can later be used to trade heavy drugs, weapons, and humans. Cutting income from criminals and putting it into taxes later used for healthcare, education, sport etc. can only be good. If you ask me, some of the income should be used to promote responsible drugs and prostitution usage, including avoidance of excessive doses, hazardous situations, risks of sexually transmitted illnesses, and similar.

Please let me know:

  • What is your opinion on drugs and prostitution legalization?
  • How do you feel about my arguments?
  • Do you have any additional arguments, whether for or against?

If you liked this article, then you would most probably also like my recent post: Can we admit that we’re all both good and evil to a certain point? What do we enjoy and why?

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Out of the shadows into the light. Prohibiton only helps the military industrial complex and those porked up on that aspect of it.

Thanks for the comment!

How does the drugs and prostitution prohibition help the military industry, I don't see the connection? : )

Those industries control the media and the government or at least are major parts of the DC cartel. Criminalizing victimless crimes helps those industries continue the war on the poor.

If you're referring to the fact that in the current drug and prostitution world small fish gets caught while the big fish enjoys the profit safe in the background, I hear you.

I think it is more insidious than that CO INTEL PRO and Joint Vision 2020. The MIC is planning to wage victimless wars across the planet for the next few decades. The military and it's planning apparatuses plan on continued narco wars and other things to help with Boeing an Lockheed Martin's bottom lines.

My son is an addict and I firmly believe marijuana is both harmful in its own right and a gateway drug.

Having said that - I strongly believe drugs should be legalized because once somebody is addicted - they are in many ways powerless to the addiction and no good comes from forcing them to break the law to support their habit.

I think we would be in a much better place to help them become contributing members of society if drugs were legalized.

Thanks for sharing the personal experience, I'm sorry to hear that your son got addicted.

Although there are some harmful effects of marijuana (as they are in alcohol too), there are many benefits of its legalization, including addict social marginalization prevention, as you pointed out.

What concerns me about legalization at the moment, is it is being promoted as cool rather then a way to help addicts.

I think legalization should be accompanied by the anti-smoking campaigns that targeted the tobacco industry. It is amazing the reduction in the number of people who smoke tobacco as a result of those campaigns and it did not require creiminalization.

I totally agree with your concerns - the reason why I used somewhat grim images in this article instead of happy ones, is because I didn't want to make an impression that I'm supporting drugs and prostitution just because that's now cool and mainstream.

Of course, I think that some of the income from new taxes should be used to promote limited and responsible drugs (including tobacco and alcohol) and prostitution usage.

Addiction is so sad. Hopefully your son conquers his addiction. I have family that also struggle with addiction. Stay strong.

It is rare for me to meet somebody who does not have a relative or a friend that has not felt the impact of addiction. I wish you family members well.

Same to your family.

I'm curious about your opinion, what did you witness with your sons experience with Marijuana over the time of him using it?

When I was at university over 30 years ago, my housemates were heavy marijuana users - very heavy. If you asked me if I noticed any effect in them, I would have said they seemed pretty chilled and were not as motivated as other friends. In short, not a big deal.

And to be honest, it is those memories I believe many people of my generation share that color our opinion of marijuana usage today.

But the sad fact is the weed our kids smoke today is much more potent then the weed our generation smoked 30 plus years ago.

So what did I witness with my son's experience with marijuana? It is not scientific, but behavioral changes far different then I observed in my housemates 30 years ago. So much so, I can tell if he has smoked in the past few days because his behavior becomes more aggravated (that might not be the right word - but it is the best I can describe it). On occasion it can make him paranoid.

What makes it even more complicated as any parent of an addict will tell you - addicts rarely have one drug of choice. Sometimes by necessity, sometimes just because they are looking for a different buzz - they do use/try different drugs.

Who knows what cocktail they have in their system on any particular day and how those drugs might interact with each other.

It is a very difficult problem that should not be criminalized and definitely has no simple solutions.

I do not know if that answers your question, but it is my opinion.

"But the sad fact is the weed our kids smoke today is much more potent then the weed our generation smoked 30 plus years ago." - Thanks for mentioning this, I didn't know that.

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

I think the world would be a much happier and safer place if we legalise everything like they do in Portugal, they had one of the highest worldwide deaths from drugs and crime and with backs to the wall were forced into a radical change! The result? deaths over halved, addicts getting safe shoot up rooms with government sanctioned safe needles and drugs not that street stuff thats laced with god knows what!
Most hard drug addicts have are a health problem that needs to be treated just like alcohol is here!
Also look at amsterdam closing down prisons because there are not enough criminals, crime and deaths increasingly decreasing! But unfortunately as long as prisons are profitable and make no mistake private prisons are a goldmine thats why new prisons are being built its got nothing to do with an increase in criminal activity, we will need a severe paradigm shift for change to happen! Great post upvoted resteemed and followed!
Peace and love my friend!

Portugal didn't actually legalize drugs, rather they chose to decriminalize them. More specifically, any drug possession lower than what would be considered enough for a 10 day supply is downgraded from a criminal offense to an administrative one. This law was sufficient to dramatically reduce the need for anti-drug enforcement on the streets while still maintaining criminal penalties for trafficking. Because trafficking in its own right carries with it all sorts of externalities that increase other types of crimes, I think it makes the most sense to decriminalize drug usage to free up resources for controlling other criminal behaviors tied to trafficking.

Hi @faustiantimes, thanks for clarifying what Portugal actually did.

If drugs usage is decriminalized but not legalized, many opportunities are missed - such as quality control and transferring revenue from criminal to legal (taxable) flows.

It is interesting to note that, while drugs usage is more easily decriminalized than drug trading, the situation with prostitution is often the opposite - in some countries it is illegal to use prostitution while it is not illegal to offer it.

Thanks for expanding on my thoughts, @songe, Portugal did make great results by legalization.

Cheers! : )

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You're welcome, see you around! : )

The question isn't whether or not people should be allowed to do drugs or engage in prostitution, the question is does one group of people have a right to tell another group of people who have not harmed, or initiated force against anyone else what life choices they are permitted to make. Of course the answer is no. It is either right to dictate how other people live their lives, or it is wrong. Where does it stop? If you can tell a person not to do drugs under threat of imprisonment can they tell you not to eat sugar under threat of imprisonment? The argument can certainly be made that sugar has contributed to as many, if not more premature deaths than drugs. The difference is sugars lobbyists want sugar to be legal and pharma's lobbyists want drugs to be illegal. The bottom line is locking a person in a cell for engaging in an act in which they have not committed violence against any other person is an immoral act all on its own.

Hi @tomanderson, thank you for the meaningful comment! I agree with with you and have only one note: in addition to forbidding violence, I would also prevent the most harmful and dangerous nonviolent acts, such as the hardest and most addicting drugs. Although selling, buying, and using drugs such as heroin or LSD is not a direct act of violence against someone else, it too often results in ruined lives, ruined families, extremly risky behavior, criminal acts to finance the need for more drugs etc. Cheers! : )

The formation of a society should be based on morals. Of course such a statement can be used as a form of oppression when used by those who themselves lack morals. The act of initiating force against a non-violent person who has not acted against another individual or their property is certainty immoral. That is the bases in my belief that drugs and prostitution should be legal. Their is no morality in locking people in cages for engaging in harmless acts that I personally find disgusting or offensive. Locking someone away would actually make me the perpetrator who initiated the use of violence. We live in a culture where everyone attempts to control everyone else, but a moral society provides individuals the liberty to make their own choices. For me, i would even legalize the hard drugs. Drug prohibition has made people no less likely to do drugs; but it has led to gang violence and violence on the American southern border. Individual liberty is always the answer. Government almost always worsens the problems it allegedly sets out to fix.

I agree with you in almost everything except for the hardest drugs.

Their is no morality in locking people in cages for engaging in harmless acts that I personally find disgusting or offensive.

The thing is, I don't consider the sale and usage of the hardest drugs only personally disgusting or offensive, I also consider it extremely dangerous for people around whoever is doing it. Something like when someone is driving a car 250 km/h in a highly crowded downtown area - he is actually not committing any violence at the moment, but he should be stopped because otherwise he will most probably get himself and/or some other people killed very soon.

It is encouraging that our society has gotten to the point where we can have this discussion at all. Of course legality and morality do not always correlate with one another. Just as I commend you for drawing attention to the senselessness of criminalizing drugs like Marijuana, I hope you also draw attention to the predatory practices of big pharmaceutical companies. So many people blindly trust their doctors and become addicted to prescription pain killers. We need more pot smokers and less pill heads.

Of course legality and morality do not always correlate with one another.

I really like this thought. Sometimes, although your intentions are not bad, you are hurting or highly risking to hurt people around you.

Of course, excessive usage of medicines like pain killers is a very real problem, too.

Cheers! : )

Allow ?? that means we still have a governement telling us what we can do lifenbeauty no nani state please. thank you

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Well, I am liberal, but I don't think that we shouldn't have any rules at all.

I think that we need government, not to guide us or tell us what to do, but to support and protect us.

Cheers! : )

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

I'm sorry to tell you your not a liberal in the true sense. Your a interventionist. : )

Thanks for the open comment! : )

Well, I believe that neither absolute liberty/anarchy nor absolute interventionism/control can be good. I consider myself liberal because I argue for much more liberty than found in the current systems. : )

Ahhh a 3rd way kinda guy! : ) Wonderful socialilsm light with a velvet glove

"both should be legal, but very strictly regulated."

Exactly right, prohibition is the abdication of regulation.

100% agree

Thank you for the short but quite meaningful comment, @funbobby51, I love the "prohibition is the abdication of regulation" thought. : )

Hmm Im a pharmacist in the US and here's my take on drugs: they should be allowed to a certain extent. They can be used recreationally but they should put limits ex) 1g per Month/person. Drugs are scary... Once someone gets hooked into it its hard to get out.

Very hard to get out once you are addicted.

You need to give addicts a runway to get off.

I have seen medical professionals cut people off cold - the addict then has no choice but to turn to crime.

I agree with you, that's why I am for legalization with strict regulation.

Cheers! : )

Drugs and prostitution ought not to be allowed in a community

Thank you for joining the discussion, could you let me know what are the main reasons for your opinion?

its between consenting individuals.

If you're referring to prostitution - yes, and they are not making any damage to the society, especially if the prostitute is doing regular health checks. Furthermore, legal prostitution is always between consenting individuals, while the illegal prostitution is often forced.

I'm against all aggression. But not just prostitution.all buyers and sellers. All victimless action. No busy bodies needed or lobbying/Nannie's. Alcohol and cigarette is the biggest killer.

I agree with you except that I I would forbid the hardest drugs because they are too harmful for both the individual and the society.

Although I am for individual freedom, some (worst) things should be out of reach because a moment of weakness can ruin someones whole life.

So you want to intervene in other people's actions ? Do you have that power over others ? Do you have that power over me ? How will you stop me doing the things you don't like ? With a Gun ?

Let's not get silly. Pot would be fine if it were regulated like tobacco or alcohol. Things like Meth & Heroin would become a drain on the society. No matter how many people say they would never try it if those drugs publicly available, they are highly addictive and can't be taken on a 5 minute break from work.

The reason to legalize hard drugs is to be able to help addicts.

We need to enable them to move in the right direction without forcing them into a life of crime.

I agree that we need to enable addicts to move in the right direction without forcing them into a life of crime; but wouldn't addicts be helped by offering them light drugs instead of the hard ones?

I agree with you, I would forbid the hardest drugs because they are too harmful for both the individual and the society.

Although I am for individual freedom, some (worst) things should be out of reach because a moment of weakness can ruin someones whole life.

Yes they should be allowed. Government should have no say in how people want to live thier lives. I like your detailed analysis. Good point about the Netherlands. They are always ahead of the curve on everything concerning freedom. Did you know that Portugal has made all drugs legal and crime went way down? Also it was a good insight that you made when you mentioned that all societies to some extent allow drugs and prostitution in its less overt form.

Thank you for the comment, @newcastle.

I actually did came across the Portugal info, but I had to omit some stuff as I didn't want to make article too long.

I'm glad you like my insight about the fact that we already allow drugs and prostitution in some of the less overt forms; that fact tickled my mind for a long time. : )

Since I hang out with artists, this subject is close to my heart. I happen to know a few prostitutes too, male, female and third gender. From what I have observed, keeping these things illegal gives them certain element of glamour. That's what makes them seem so attractive to young people.
It's easy money and a promise of a fun lifestyle, at least at the beginning. You become an "initiate" so to speak. You have secret double life that almost nobody knows about, especially not your parents, your work colleagues, sometimes even not your spouse...
I support legalization of both, but I believe that black market will never go away. There'll be always stronger drugs and harder porn out there somewhere, in dark cellars and private mansions, like it has always been.

Thanks for the comment, @tara.heruka.

I agree that the black market in dark cellars and private mansion will never go away. However, I also believe that is decreases significantly with legalization.

Cheers! : )

Yes but we should raise the tax on alcohol and tax the hardcore drugs pretty good as well. Work is already taxed enough.

Definitely, although I would even forbid the most hardcore drugs as they are too harmful for both the individual and the society. Although I am for individual freedom, some (worst) things should be out of reach because a moment of weakness can ruin a whole life.

It's hard to successfully forbid vices.

I agree, as @m1r1 commented: I think someone takes too much freedom from people they tend to break out and go behind the lines.

That's one of the reasons why I think that we shouldn't forbid anything that is not extremely harmful.

It would be interesting to see how older people vs younger people would answer this question. I presume younger people would be more in favor of legalizing everything. That offers hope for the future.

Yes, that would be quite interesting!

I share your presumption, Brexit referendum also resulted in "yes" due to the votes of older people, while the vast majority of young adults voted "no".

Cheers! : )

I have nothing against people consuming what they want while it is their property, and I do not have anything against people sleeping with whoever they want while it is on their property, whether or not they want to charge that is not my problem. The problem is if they do it in a public place, or that they incite the children to have this kind of behavior, that is what is really deplorable.

I personally oppose drugs and prostitution, but I will not tell people what they can do, it seems to me that prostitution is typical of a person with a great moral weakness, who is willing to do things for money that goes against their own values, but as I said, that's not my problem.

Society must be concerned that minors are not involved, and that this type of activities are not carried out in public places.

I agree that it's essential to protect minors and keep these activities private.

That said, I vote for preventing the creation and distribution of the hardest and most addictive drugs completely, as this can save many lives.

Should the heaviest drugs be easily available, many people would ruin their lives in a moment of weakness or distress.

The fact that drugs are illegal does not prevent people from obtaining them, it only creates a monopoly on their distribution and gives more power to those who act outside the law. The same ones that today ask for free marijuana are those that in the future will ask for another type of drug to be legalized, and after all, they are adults and they are under their own responsibility, we can not avoid it. The best way to fight drugs is not to make them illegal, it is creating a healthy society, in physics and mind.

Social problems are not actions or thoughts, social problems are people, if you have a vicious society is because the individuals that make up that society are vicious, are not the vicious activities the problem, are people. If you make the vicious actions of society illegal, you simply deny their nature, you do not really solve the problem.

Now, it can be, like you say, they are not easily available, and by that I mean do not sell like candy, but after all, if a person wants to get drugs, in any country in the world, be illegal or not, just should must walk a little and he will find them, it is really easy to do it, and maybe it is even more difficult to get them if they are legalized, however absurd it may seem.

Thank you for the meaningful comment, I love your thoughts!

I agree that the main method of combating heavy drugs and any other social problem and vicious activity is making a healthy society through education and information.

I also agree that if a person wants to get drugs he/she can relatively easily do so. However, I am concerned about, for example, young people being legally offered heavy drugs while drunk. Of course, the sales of heavy drugs would be strictly regulated, so I'm not referring to sales, I'm referring to drunk people at parties being legally offered heavy drugs for free by their acquaintances who legally possess them.

Isn’t it better to regulate the marijuana production in order to make sure that the quality is very high thus minimizing health risks than to leave that up to illegal laboratories and criminal dealers?

Cutting income from criminals and putting it into taxes later used for healthcare, education, sport etc. can only be good.

I am the same opinion. One example where we see that it's working is the Netherlands just like you have mentioned.

My mother never forbid me much. Of course she had rules but I had a lot of freedom. Many Filipinos have asked me: 'Your parents really allowed you to go this far for such a long time?' or 'Are you really allowed to go out whenever you want?' Yes I am. And I believe that her way of raising me was the right one. She showed me what is right and what is wrong. She has enough trust in me that I know what's the best for me and that I can make my own decision because it's my life. She cares for me and is helping me when I need her support but she doesn't put me into a cage.
Instead of abusing her trust I appreciate it and set my own boarders. I think when take to much freedom from people they tend to break out. And they go behind the lines. So why not trust the people but just like you said regulated:

both should be legal, but very strictly regulated.

I believe that the way your mother raised you is the right way.

I too always vote for freedom (both for children and for adults), as long as it doesn't cause harm to other people or significant self-harm to the person in question.

Cheers, m1r1! : )

No need to discuss, drug is evil, be far far away from it

If someone take drugs they will be write here purtagal is good country they allow the deugs. But any type of drugs is bad for human and socitey .

Thanks for joining the discussion. Even if they are harmful to some extent, there are many benefits or legalization, as I tried to explain in the article - legalization helps to decrease some of the harmful effects.

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Allow it or not, it's still being practiced. Illegal drug are even more common now and prostitution is no longer frowned upon by society. People these days long for prostitutes or hoes to give them that satisfaction they couldn't get at home. So either way they'll still being practiced so it doesn't matter

I believe that it does matter since legalization allows for quality and health control, as well as because it brings profit from these activities to legal flows and not to underground pimps and dealers.

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I think prostitution should be legal so that it can be made safer for women who choose to partake. I think most drugs should be legalized except for maybe meth. With legalization should come education.

I agree with you, as can be seen in my article. Cheers! : )

Nice read - I talk about this with my friends all the time. Totally agree that there are more advantages to legalization / regulation than letting the black market flourish. I think we're headed in that direction.

Thanks for the comment, most of the world is heading in that direction, fortunately. : )

You have also a wonderful day week and life. this topic we should discuss. God Has given Us many things to stay good. why are we going to hurt ourselves? Actually, We are operating in the direction of a wrong programming. That is our system, and memories according to the system.
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Hello, @pkalmik. "We are operating in the direction of a wrong programming" - could you please expand on this? : )

When was the last time you stopped an alcoholic from buying alcohol ? Or have you ever! Please stop your nonsense.

I don't remember. However, what I do remember is that a couple of times (I was drinking a lot at parties when I was younger) some of my friends have stopped me from buying more drinks so that I don't get totally wasted and vomit (or get wasted more and vomit more), and I am thankful for those situations.

Definitely think grass should be legal. Don't know much about prostitution.
About hard drugs, if we ever legalize the most deadly drugs, it would have to be something like this:

First make them sit though long classes, informational briefings over a space of weeks. Force them to meet other junkies that are quite far gone. Check out people on withdrawal, maybe even people who die.

Then let them go through a period of preparation, tell all their friends and relatives, say goodbye, put their affairs in order, write a will.

Then pay a lot of money. There has to be a threshhold of pain to make people think twice about it. This also finances the hospital stay.

Then check into a special ward, there's no leaving until either dead or clean.
Here they are kept as healthy as possible, even when they refuse to eat and clean themselves. And the process is slowed down, interspersed with methadone etc. Councellors try to persuade them to quit. If they do decide to quit, there's a scientifically advanced program to help them.

When/if the end comes, it's their choice if they want to see loved ones a final time.

Hello @stahlberg, thank you for the comment.

Making deadly drugs legal according to your plan is far more crueler than just keeping them illegal. : )

Marijuana and mushrooms to be legalized, and to educate people more about them - same as it is done with cigarettes. Prostitution not to be legalized.

Thank you for the comment. Any arguments against prostitution legalization? : )

I don't believe in "legal" or "illegal". Which mortal has the godly power and especially the right, to write down his opinion declare his threats commandments ..I mean law and use violence to make the sinners obey or violate them.

It must be someone with severe hallucinations, totally delusional and megalomaniacal, high on power.;)

I had an extensive discussion with @harj on the topic or legality/illegality and government/anarchy, it started on a comment by @princeyk.

My point was:

I don't like anyone having godly powers, and I vote for high individual freedom, but not complete individual freedom as I do want to have security and prosperity.

For example, if someone attacks me or my family or some child on the street, I want to be able to call the police.

If someone drives a car while heavily drunk or drugged, I want someone to stop him before he injures or kills someone.

Cheers! : )

Thanks for the reply. Those are legitimate concerns i.m.o. whats in a word huh ;) (has nothing to do with legal though) But do you think there could be a "police" that does only that, that you pay for yourself. That only may do what "normal" people also can do. If I stop a drunk driver I have done a good thing. It actually happennend in my surrounding.

I also had a long hard think about protection against attackers, I believe that the best option is to do it yourself or someone in your surrounding. Police is mostly called afterward, they are excellent in drawing chalk lines. Not saying that no cop ever protected someone, but most contact I had with cops were that they bothered me or harrased me while I did nothing what so ever out of the ordinairy. I don't do drugs or drink or fight or any of that stuff.

Just a little about the drugs/ prostitution problem if there are crimes committed of course I need to take action, but it's very hard people choose sometimes a life filled with aggression abuse etc. I don't think asking a politician to write something with an attached punishment helps that much, I think that its way more effective to try to talk to people in your surrounding that have problems. But It's very hard to motivate people. Try getting your spouse to put the cap on the toothpaste lol you could spend an entire lifetime nagging and get nowhere. Not you literally of course. ;)

Cheers to you too :)

Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree that police is often useless, even harmful. I also agree that the best option for protection is self-protection or protection by someone nearby. However, there will be always organized gangs. Without police, a gang of 10-15 tough guys could go around town beating, stealing, and raping; no one would be able to protect himself/herself alone and the people nearby would also be powerless to help against such a gang. I believe that we need organized protection to fight organized gangs. If not police, something else.

I also think that the best way to prevent heavy drugs is through education, information, and awareness. However, I am concerned about, for example, people being legally offered heavy drugs while drunk. Informed or not, I am pretty stupid when I'm drunk. That's why I vote the most harmful and addictive to be illegal. : )

disclaimer I'm not offending you just asking a question. Hope you understand.

Don't you find it a little strange to say; because when I or someone else, get's drunk and loose control, and might accept hard drugs. I vote for people who make hard drugs illegal (and so criminalize, a lot of not criminal (who have harmed noone) hard drug (whatever that is) users under the risk of landing in jail, because I, or other people won't take the responsibility for my own actions and think someone else needs to restrict people because I can't restrict myself or won't take responsibility? Something like that.

Again I'm not attacking you and I see I ask a very confronting question which of course you don't have to answer or anything but maybe think about consequenses and that you are responsible for your own actions.

The nuance I like to add though is that if they inject you or give you drugs without permission it's a crime. And of course I see the difficulty it brings and how complicated that becomes. But I happen to believe a lot in self responsibility.....not saying you are not....oh dear.... lol.

Not offended at all. :D

I see your point of not putting someones protection from his own irresponsibility above other peoples' freedom.

I strongly agree with that in general, but still believe that in some extreme cases (like heroin and LSD legality/illegality) exceptions should be made, because:

  1. The vast majority of us get weak or irresponsible sometimes, especially while young.
  2. Although I vote for much higher individual freedom than found in the current systems, I question the righteousness of allowing absolute individual freedom. For example, if someone gets refused by a girl that he loves dearly, gets drunk/drugged, and tries to jump off a bridge and kill himself, I would try to prevent him. In a way, I am denying him his individual freedom to choose to jump off the bridge, but he will most probably be grateful to me for that later. I think that the same applies to preventing people from using the most addictive and harmful drugs - you are basically saving or vastly improving their lives in the long run, as well as the lives of people close to them.

1 ok we do dum stuff but laws are not going to prevent that.

2/3 You can not allow me absolute individual freedom?
you can question of course the rightiousness of my individual freedom, in reality (not in some future prediction) and I encourage you to do so, so that when I harm someone in reality ( or maybe myself) you might take rightious action to stop the harm I inflict by; restricting my freedom or end my freedom altogether.
Do you really think you need permission to be free or I. Who oh who is that a pure devine being to give me that permission? I have to laugh a little here not at you but because knowing how this mental slave trap works, made me more free and happy, that anything else in the world.
I'm sorry but I have absolute freedom. Not even for the "good cause" of preventing things that might happen or protecting me against myself, you can of course protect people against the results in reality like jumping of a bridge.

Just a little test ;)

I think they should ban alchohol altoghether, because then I save you/them from, that they might use hard drugs while not being conscious. Or they will not get in a fight or steal. I bet they thank me later that I prevented them from that.
End of test lol.

It is most awful to live in a prison made by you fellow human beings and if there is one thing that might convince me to take drugs, it is that. To escape the pressure of slavery inflicted by my fellow human beings.

(I edited a few mistake and added a bit for clarification)

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