...to offer a better return means an objective calculation of value......the only way to ascertain objective value is price discovery mechanism...capitalism anyone?
(Artificial price fixing is nothing to do with value, only control)
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True beliebers gonna belieb.
Try imagining a world of abundance where the things you value are harmony and time with your family.
This is what you get when you stop gouging your neighbor for every last dime of 'value'.
..the things of value to each person is subjective, and is not for anyone else to decide what is more valuable to someone else.
..live and let live, and not control, is always the answer..
freedom has a price...part of the price is 'not perfect'
Communism has a price..that price is death of that very human spirit you value.
Freedom gives you and like minded people to live communism if you so wish. Where are all these communist communes, if they were a successful social model?
Communism give no freedom to anything.
They got bombed out of existence by crapitalust bombs.
https://listverse.com/2016/06/29/10-instances-of-anarchist-societies-that-actually-worked/
The first article...
...So threat of violence/theft was required for any hope of this working?
Nice....
Guidelines, not authoritative.
If the workers stop playing crapitalism who you gonna exploit to pay your guards to keep us out of your factory?
We wont have to confiscate factories, they will be abandoned, the 'owners' cant man them all.
Those authors were trapped in their time.
Most people couldnt read, of course they were more brutish.
You didn't read your link article?
THEFT was required to implement the communism...mmm... where have we seen that before...?
Yes, they reference taking the factories by force, it is part of being trapped in their time.
Today we merely squat the factories when they are abandoned.
No need to push the owners out, what are they going to do with a factory but no workers?
Work it themselves?
Who are their customers?
Keep working, stop paying means the owners are superfluous.
If they are over 50 they can retire, if they want to hang out they can as long as the workers agree to keep doing the work.
When we dont have to pay for anything, only need to work 20k hours between 20 and 50, and can live the jetset lifestyle, not many owners are not going to willingly give up their factories.
2nd example...
...seeing the dynamics of how this goes , yet?
Nope, just the ones of how it went in that instance.
Taking rule by force off the table will result in different outcomes.
Ah, another instance of communism turning to shit - but it wasn't real communism kind of thing...
At what point do you come to a conclusion - you were wrong in your ideology - when every gulag is full, and everyone is starving to death...?
...or see even crapitalism is better (which is shit, don't get me wrong) - people can eat, buy phones use the internet...
When ideology blanks out what is empirical,...mental illness lies that way.
crapitalism, which is capitalism oppressed by socialism, 2004-2012 reduced world's poverty in half. Collectivism slaughtered 300 000 000 people in last 100 years alone.
Debate over. If your cognitive dissonance does not let you acknowledge reality, you are a zombie and a waste of electricity. I really do not respect an intellectual zombie arrogant enough to pretend an enlightened "ascended master", shaming peaceful people who just want you to be the only controller of your own life
Ive repeatedly said that force wont be used, when are you going to stop ignoring that?
You dont get to tar me with that brush.
You dont get to point to instances of rule by force doing what it does then say the outcome will be the same in the absence of coercion.
Either people agree to keep working and stop paying, or it doesnt happen.
crapitlaism has zero to do with capitalism - you need to understand the difference.
Crapitalism is closer to political communism than anything else.
CAPITALISM cannot function correctly with an external authority of any kind.
It's a voluntary contract between to people.( No aggression principal )
So, if i dont have any medium to exchange, you gonna make me starve?
If you're one of life's victims, ( the position you are taking in this sentence), that's what will happen.
(unless you steal - but that's communism)
unless you ask nicely for help. I would help. try to force me and I will hang you myself ;)
Right, so you would rather see me starve than admit that your system is flawed.
Were it not flawed it could accomodate all people, not just the ones that comply with it.