Your a slave now and if you don't think so refuse to pay your taxes and see what happens. Government is incompetent .Obama and bush were not any better. Trying to justify either side to me is pointless. Rules without rulers. Fixing government with more government is like trying to fix cancer with more cancer. People think just because the government provides a service that only government can provide it and they do it best. Open up the markets let the market compete with the state and see what happens. Are you familiar with Lysander Spooner and his mail company and how government shut him down and held the Monopoly.
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Being civically engaged is not slavery. I pay taxes because that is part of the arrangement that comes with being a citizen of this country. If I am unhappy with the terms of that arrangement, I can vote and petition to have it changed, or I can move to a state or country that has a system that I feel is better suited to my needs.
I was in commission sales and ran my own marketing business during the Bush and Obama years. My earnings and quality of life were worlds better during the Obama years. My standard for measuring an administration's competence is how much money I make, and how many of my friends come back from deployment dead or injured. I'll take the relative peace and prosperity of the Obama years over the recession and war of the Bush years any day.
Lysander Spooner has been dead for 130 years. Why do Libertarians always have to bring up ancient history when discussing modern politics and economics? Could it be that their ideas are antiquated and out of date? I think so.
Yeah like I said you want government to hold your hand and have a skewed view of freedom. Why do socialist countries always starve.
Last time I checked, Canada wasn't starving. I know some fat and happy Canadians.
What exactly are you implying with the "hand-holding" narrative? Are you suggesting I am weak? I am one of the strongest people I know. I'm an army veteran, a lifetime MMA practitioner, and I am the first person my friends call when they need help moving furniture. I'm sorry the right-wing propaganda machine has you so afraid of the government that you won't even vote. Sounds like you are the one that needs someone to hold your hand.
Your wanna get really down to it I'm implying you are a brainwashed statist who is too god damn stupid to see the right and the left as the same thing. You ramble on about army and mma like really does every thing that isn't leftist babble go right over your head. People act like you and wonder why Trump got elected people are tired of the whiney progressive movement shutting down free speech. Try making some decisions with logic instead of based on your feels and maybe the rest of the country will stop making fun of you.
If you can't tell the difference between left and right, you are not paying attention. If you watch these guys slander, sue, imprison, and even murder each other, it's pretty obvious they are not on the same side.
Just because I acknowledge the state is a thing, doesn't mean that I am a statist.
I am a capitalist. I bought my steem power, and I am free to use it as I choose. If I want to use that power to flag a neo-nazi sympathizer, I am well within my right. Likewise, the owners of social media platforms are free to boot Nazis from their servers, and I'm glad they do.
Now as far as people making fun of liberals is concerned, I think you may be projecting there. The whole fucking world is making fun of Trumpists. The backlash from this catastrophe will be the election of a candidate so progressive it will make Obama look like Reagan by comparison. Enjoy your power while you have it. When the pendulum swings back, you guys are gonna get wiped out.
Both groups wish to impose their morality on people. When a boot is stepping on your face you don't really care if it's the left one or a right one. You aren't a statist because you acknowledge the state as a thing I'm very aware it's a thing you're a statist because you worship it you want it to push your progressive morality on others through force. If you support antifa you are no better than the Nazis groups and not seeing that is absolutely ridiculous. You're a capitalist a socialist man you don't know what the hell you got going on. Google voluntaryism
I know what voluntarism is. (I can even spell it correctly.) I went through an Ayn Rand/Ron Paul phase in my 20's, but then I read some books on economics and history, and determined that libertarianism/voluntarism is not competitive in a modern global economy. If you try to force such a system on a modern industrialized civilization, millions of people will suffer. That's what happens when you burn someone's house down and destroy what they have worked hard to build. You ruin their life.
I don't worship the state. As a politically active citizen, I am a part of the state. Those metaphoric boots you complain about are on my feet. They are not trying to step on you, but if you insist on getting under my feet while I am trying to get some work done, you might get kicked or stepped on. We are trying to build a future for our children, and you guys are trying to force us to tear it down and start over. We are even willing to give you some boots, because we believe people can not pull themselves up by their boot straps without first owning a fucking pair of boots! I am even volunteering my time to teach you how to lace them up and tie them.
So here I am, trying to explain how shoes work to a barefoot hillbilly that wants to burn my house down. That's how I see it.
OK, I exhausted the metaphor.
It is easier to destroy than it is to build. Simple people want a simple solution. Destroying everything civilization has worked for and starting over from the ashes is not a good idea, and those of you trying to force that idea on the rest of us are guilty of exactly what you accuse us of. The fact that right-wingers have taken up ranks with Nazis and Confederates is a pretty strong indicator of what is going on here.
The logical thing to do is stop trying to destroy society, and help us build on and improve what we have. We are not demanding you do that. It is quite voluntary. If you don't want to be part of modern society, you are free to go be Amish or whatever. Just stop trying to drag the rest of us back to the stone-age with you. We got shit to do.