Yeah, I had all the boosters. My parents always did everything they were told to do, even if it killed them (not the vaccine, but it was a doctors advice or negligence, whichever comes first that killed my mother). And the numbers, well I don't know. Our family had three children. Two out of three, probably 3 out of 3 (my brother got mumps too) with one child having two illnesses she was vaccinated against...What do you think? Our family was definitely not alone, I know lots of people who still got childhood illnesses even if they were vaccinated. So even though I can't come with an exact number, I think the number is much higher than we think. Especially seen the fact that a lot of people either don't remember having the illness as a child or (like me) don't know till later that they had vaccines for those illnesses.
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Something you might consider, unrelated to the vaccine safety issue, is that your family might be genetically more susceptible to those diseases, so even with vaccination, your immune systems weren't able to prevent infection.
It's possible that the additional immunity theoretically provided by vaccination saved your lives, by proactively preparing your less effective immune systems against the diseases.
The only answer for having the diseases after being vaccinated for them ISN'T that the vaccines were ineffective.
As @theaustrianguy points out, different people have different genetics, and our immune systems are different as a result.
This is also something, returning to vaccine safety, that makes giving everybody the same vaccine risky. Some people will be harmed by things that others, even everybody else, isn't.
Before very recently, it would have been impossible to differentiate between people whose genetics and immune systems require different medical treatment.
Thankfully, personalized medicine is being developed, and soon, perhaps these risks will be a thing of the past.
Setting big hopes in this aspect as well!
@valued-customer: I have two explanations for the reasons why my siblings and I did get sick. First of all: my mother didn't breastfeed either of us. She grew up in a very Catholic part of the Netherlands and I think with my brother (who's sixteen years older than me) they would have told her that it was not done to breastfeed. When my sister was born, my mother was a single parent with no support, so she had to leave my sister in care with nuns. When I was born, the midwife somehow told her some crap about how I didn't want her milk because I kept spitting (turns out: her supply was too much for my greedy little self) and talked her into giving up. So that may be a very important factor in the story. I do have to say that neither one of us is ever really sick besides a little flu or cold every few years. My sister and brother would have kept up with their vaccines, I have never had anything after I left the home at 19. I don't really believe us getting sick had much to do with our immune system, because the whole story about genetics that's been given by the medical profession is questionably as well, but of course, it's always a possibility. I am not a medical professional (not in the traditional sense anyway) but I did study pathology and anatomy during my study as a hypnotherapist. Besides this, I've been studying about different areas in the field as well during my research missions. So even though I really don't know everything, I did learn that this subject is definitely not as black and white as both sides think it is. Thank you for your input @valued-customer, you just gave me something new to work on and think about. Your input is always valuable 😎
At least you did receive some colostrum from your mother, which is chock full of antibodies and many immunoresponsive factors. Breastfeeding is extraordinarily important to immune system function in children, and perhaps throughout life.
It is certain that amongst the most important breastmilk is the very first few days, as that is when the initial immune system assets are primarily passed to infants.
You are clearly applying sound thinking to the questions, and I am sure you are better informed than I ever could be about your medical situation.
I am sorry for your loss :(
As I said, maybe their is something genetic that makes your families members not reacting well to vaccines.
That of course is bad luck - and I understand why you might think that vaccines are not so good if you experienced that bad luck.
But in the game of big numbers, you are just a very very little part. I don't say not important - every human life is. .
There is a study done in the Netherlands for mumps. There was a big mumps breakout among students aged 20/25 a couple of years ago.
Strange thing is the students that got their mumps vaccinations as a child were more likely to get sick.
No one died by the way. Because people don't die of mumps.
A link to the statistics would be nice ;)
Yes, dying to mumps is rather unlikely.
But 30% of all infected man get orchitis which can lead to infertility; also not a great outcome ;)
I will look up the study for you this evening.
@theaustrianguy: I would like to get into that: spoke to the doctor at the time when my eldest son was born. This doctor was besides a 'normal' doctor who also studied anthroposophy. They held a course about natural treatments and information about vaccines and childhood diseases etc. I told her about my worries about mumps in the case of a boy. She showed me studies and research that I now wish I had asked for the reference. But what it came down to that orchitis is actually quite rare with mumps, but to get it on BOTH testicles would be even rarer. Besides that, it is also treatable, if caught on time, which usually would be the case since it would be very uncomfortable and painful. I mentioned that someone I knew had had that, and she told me that this man was extremelyunfortunate. So even though the outcome might not be great, in the case of mumps, you could definitely ask yourself which risk would be higher..
This also happened in the US recently. An outbreak of mumps in university with 34 students who got the mumps. 32 of those were vaccinated. Of the rest of the other students, (beside the two) no other unvaccinated student contracted mumps...I think it was Harvard.
Many, perhaps millions, have died from mumps, and the rest of us are descended from the survivors, inheriting their immune responses. This is why almost no one dies from the mumps anymore.
Native Americans were ravaged by many plagues that eliminated perhaps 98% of them between 1492 and LaSalle's expedition up the Mississipi River roughly a century later, including the mumps.
It is unknown how many the mumps, or any other disease communicated by Colombus's crew, killed directly, but it is known that mumps did cause deaths in Native Americans, who had no resistance at all to the new, to them, disease.