개천에서 용 난다
Consensus in the Hive group decided the specific rulesets for this INITIAL airdrop. You can find the rules for the ruleset in the code of 23.0 which you are already stating in this article.Dear Kopasi and all @proxy.token voters. You have a compelling point, yet "Ethnic Cleansing" is a very loaded, insinuating reasoning, which is obviously not the reason for this ruleset about the airdrop:
등잔 밑이 어둡다
Please notice the words: INITIAL.
I want to emphasize that the Hive chain is a new beginning, with 50+ developers working on the chain and its direct projects. So, exciting times ahead!
While I understand it is painful to see @proxy.token proxy voters with more than 1K SP being excluded from the INITIAL airdrop, I want to let you know that the case for "forgiveness" is very much alive. We all make mistakes.
HOWEVER, the funds for those not included on the Hive Airdrop have simple been moved to the DAO HIVE FUND and will NOT be burned or in any other way used for the foreseeable future.
"Hive Chain"에 대한 "Airdrop"-펀드가 여러분을 기다리고 있습니다:
The Airdrop Funds for the Hive Chain are waiting for you:
You are very welcome to start a Proposal on behalf of the Proxy.Token voters to unlock those funds.
Please understand that consensus was reached on the specific rules for the "exclusion of initial airdrop"-list. Anyone can run any software.
I very much encourage you once the fork is complete and stable, to look into a Voting Proposal and depending on how it looks I might very much be for a "forgiveness" vote, but it will depend on your proposal.
If you don't like that, obviously everyone is very welcome to stay with the Steem chain or run their own software.
- 고생 끝에 낙이 온다
- 김치국부터 마시지 말라
- 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다
- 매도 먼저 맞는 게 낫다
Looking forward to your proposal on behalf of proxy.token voters on the Hive chain!
Thanks for the reply.
So who made this decision? Please let me know. You said "consensus", which implies multiple people.
Glory7 go make your fork and exclude any account you want.
anyone running v23.0 and or will run v23.0 signals agreement with the code.
Thank you for letting me know. While our opinions may be different, I would like to let you know that it was pleasant discussing with you.
So if we have a hard fork that freezes your steem, it's okay because we are consensus. it's right?
Do what you want (in fact you can't be prevented from doing so; that is exactly what it means to be a decentralized system), people can decide whether to support it or not.
You're blocking accounts, accounts don't have an ethnicity, just chuck that line back at them. There's nothing to defend here.
No accounts are blocked. The accounts will still work fine on Steem (in fact also on Hive). Hive invites supporters of a decentralized blockchain who fought (unsuccessfully) to decentralize Steem and keep it decentralized, and honors them with an airdrop equal to their Steem holdings.
Yes very true. It is completely decided through a script which ran an objective comparison and came up with the result based on the ruleset.
And who set the rule? The rule itself is very subjective, as @lukestroke also wrote.
you guys just let an algorithm decide?
people who had no idea what was happening with the hard fork are included in being excluded, did your algorithm know who these people were? Prolly not
In no way should anyone that voted for the sock puppets get a pass.
That is double the case for the Koreans.
They could have at any time removed the sock puppets from power.
They decided to ask for ransom instead of trying to bridge the gap between tron and us.
That's what I expected during the talks with Justin. Creating understanding due to their tie breaker position.
Instead they wanted to get payed and accepted bribes from Justin.
And now this post. I find them despicable and it has nothing to do with their race or nationality.. How dare they even insinuate such a thing.
Even if hardfork 0.22.2 freezes certain accounts, @proxy.token tried to stay neutral. @proxy.token voted on both sides.
@proxy.token tried to make a conversation with Tron and steem witnesses. You can look at SCT discord. Anybody can watch the conversation.
Why do you blame Korean and @proxy.token?
Hive will have a plan to freeze certain accounts that have different opinion from hive's opinion..
I am really disappointed.
No one is freezing any funds on Hive.
And please Google meaning of the word "neutral".
Neutral would have been not voting at all. They were not neutral.
Voting for enough witnesses that neither side could istitute a hard fork is one of the most neutral things somebody could do.
No it is not. It's playing sides.
Not voting for anyone has the same effect if neutrality was the goal. It was not.
Not voting for anyone would have let the chain get taken over by who ever had the greater cash flow. Which probably would have been sun with the help of the exchanges
Again, thanks to votes from SCT and the rest of the korean community neither side could have made a move.
Witness votes are not a one shot deal so choosing to not vote is not the same as voting for both sides.
So shooting at both sides is neutrality? Tell it to Switzerland, who remained neutral in WWII.
proxy.token was extorting both sides, a hostile act against both sides. We left, and now proxy.token is where Sun Yuchen wants it.
Enjoy!
Trying to support both sides can also be counted as not taking sides; ergo basically neutral.
Helping maintain centralization on the chain is in no way neutral.
Helping to maintain centralization on the chain would be voting for 17+ tron witnesses. What they did is prevent either side from acting and tried to encourage conversation.
They did not encourage conversation. They made a list of demands.
Sun Yuchen was attempting to take over Steem. In that conflict, proxy.token voters voted for both sides, harming both sides. That is not remaining neutral, which would be abstaining from voting.
That was attacking both sides.
During WWII Switzerland was neutral. Swiss soldiers did not attack Nazis and Allies equally. They attacked neither side. That is actual neutrality.
Proxy.token voters extorted both Sun Yuchen and the Steem community, actively voting against both parties. I recommended not doing that in a post regarding proxy.token voting.
The only complaint you have against Hive is that Hive didn't give you free tokens. Why should Hive give you free tokens after you committed your SP to voting for socks of Sun Yuchen? Should we enable you to do that here by giving you free tokens to do that with?
Don't be silly. If you want free tokens, ask Sun Yuchen for them. Hive has availed a mechanism for appeals of those that did not get Hive tokens airdropped, the HPS. Why are you whining like beggars for them instead of using the HPS to formally request them?
Have you no self respect?
Source?
Go to their discord and search for the talks between witnesses and Justin.
Or simply search through Ausbitbank posts and find the video.
Why should I have to sift through discord chat logs? If what you said is true then surely someone has made a post about it with the relevant information.
There's a post on my blog.
https://steemit.com/sct/@lordbutterfly/unfortunately-the-korean-justin-discussion-was-a-complete-waste-of-time
This one? Because I am still not seeing any kind of evidence except for you saying something happened. And I really don't feel like going on a hunt for something that may not even exist.
Now you want us to spoon feed you information you paid no attention to when it was developing?
Either do the research or remain uninformed.
You're free to do either. I'll consider the latter a waste of my time to respond to.
you act like every person on steem was update on what was happening I am a strong supporter of Hive but this is wrong
I keep hearing a consensus was made but with who? These things are supposed to be transparent, who came to this decision and where is the transparency this decision?