I would like more communication. Most of the top 20 never publish and we don't know what they do. It's as if some don't care what the community thinks, they are comfortable in the top 20 with a few safe votes.
I take this opportunity to ask why something so important hasn't been fixed in months. Thanks
This site was developed by @roadscape who is absent for quite some time. But there's a power in decentralization that there are plenty of other alternatives for block explorers.
Nobody has an answer for that and I guess @roelandp is the one operating that site (If I'm not wrong). It has been down for maintenance for a very long time.
There are a few alternatives block explorers that can be used and the below is a decentralized version of a block explorer that is open source. The same is being hosted by multiple witnesses. You can give it a try.
https://hivescan.info/ https://hafscan.techcoderx.com/ https://explore.openhive.network/
Ausbitbank and Peakd also have their own block explorer. You can give that a try too.
I think roadscape is/was behind the site-
I have been using hiveblockexplorer. I will try the ones you suggest, thanks.
First of, all, accessibility and presence to the folks in the community was HIGH on my own list and a huge part of the platform of the witness team I am on for pollenation.
You got that point for sure right!
But counterpoint I also build tools and apps for the chain, and I do it for free, with no financial input from anyone (and my #80 witness isn't profitable or even paying for itself at all server-cost wise)
So I mean I get it, things would be nicer if they worked. That broken site is also one I used to use, but there are half a dozen other block explorers easily found by googling "Hive Block Explorer"
And when you build software for free, it's kind of not fair for the users to expect funded-software or paid-software-access level of uptimes.
Its more like, oh I whipped up this free thing for ya, oh its broke? Oh well, sorry dude.
But I see it in games I play too. Somebody spends 1000 hours making a cool FREE TO ACCESS custom game server, and suddenly when it goes down, people bitch about it. Look people, that was free, from our blood, sweat and tears. SO go QQ somewhere else on somebody else's totally free product you aren't paying for to play on or have built for you.
That said, when my community contributions go down, like HiveStreams.Live did for 9 hours during a DDoS attack two days ago, I stayed up all night for it, posted about being down, posted updates till back up again, etc. But that's because I care, not because anybody (and nobody has) gives me money to use it, build it or anything. They haven't - that 10000s of hours of my life was done for everyone for free.
So yeah, one guys free project is down, we absolutely cannot fault him for not fixing it at all, cause as for me? I never paid him a dime to provide it in the first place. It was nice to have, now its not there. On to the next free one!
So that's my counterpoint.
I checked 3 options on the survey, including building without financing.
For a witness to build apps without funding on the use of Hive, sure makes them get votes and if it stops working the logical thing to do is to remove the votes.
Other types of apps should have their own business model and be profitable, for example games. But it seems that in Web3 the most common and normalized thing is that projects are funded from a DAO or from the community itself without being profitable or sustainable.
And that's the biggest mistake they make. Only sustainable projects makes sense. DAO (in my very humble opinion) should be only used in core development which obviously is profitable to whole ecosystem and wouldn't be funded otherwise.
Like in the real world, taxes should be spent on general infrastructure; it's reliability and security and basic tools for communities to function (education, health care), but the rest? Casino and soccer stadium? No.
Taxes are theft and I would not want to compare them to Hive. You got me thinking though. Although in Hive we are not coerced and participation is voluntary, it is also true that proposals are passed without our vote and it is supposed to be everyone's money. Could it be likened to taxes? Is part of my participation being taken away from me without my permission? I am just thinking about this now and I think it could be a deep topic to reflect on the type of governance and how free it is. However the best thing is that we don't have a centralized state deciding.
Yeah, analogy wasn't perfect, sorry for that. But yes, the big difference is that we voluntarlly joined Hive. Those are not even our money per se, but it's like air and water. It's not ours per se, it's a common good, but we should better be sure to care about those resources.
We 100% agree. I was very vocal about big games with tenure, not being self profitable and relying on DHF funds for life support.
While building a very sophisticated offering for free, for everyone to use, for free as well, and somehow, I'll find a way to make it pay for itself, but it would not be by proposal. It's a business, not a socialist factory the people should have to pay for, nor do I want to be beholden to the community, if it say... goes down for 9 hours on a wednesday at 2am. Etc.
What you wrote in your comment above this, is exactly how I also preach it. But the if it stops working part I would leave out, because there is probably more to that story. If the tool stops working, eh, I paid nothing for it (unless I did, then we have a different story) but if it stops working but other things start working or other things are still being done, eh... I dunno man, I dunno, lots more to it than - the free thing they made for you isnt around anymore, which can happen for 1000 reasons, from chain code changes, to their software platforms changing (php 7 to php 8 broke 1000s of php sites a few years ago etc)
I cant say a tool breaking is a deal beaker emphatically. But otherwise, about funding things on your own? HEAR HEAR! I wrote a whole manifesto about it just this week. :)
The vote is the payment. That's why I grow my HP, it's an investment. The votes a witness receives for their “free” applications are forms of payment. Of course if it stops working a few hours nothing happens, but if it's months or definitive, the votes that supported it should be withdrawn, because that's what they were given for.
Should we continue to support a witness for what it did in the past, if in the present it is not doing anything? The best thing about Hive is that there is no election every 4 years and we can vote at any time.
That's all reasonable with this additional set of guidelines for it clarified.