I think maybe being able to block people or build communities with mutual ‘friends’ could help. Maybe we need to let society sort itself.
sorry the REST of this community is SO SLOW at catching up.
"THEY" absolutely make things WORSE when "THEY" determine THEMSELVES the protector of everything and everywhere...
It's SICK, IMHO.
Which is why I am aiming to eliminate how large stake holders bias can affect the community through downvoting in a non transparent way by simply getting rid of downvote option or engaging in productive conversations for solutions that are productive and not isolating to both parties.
absolutely I have noticed the main thing is a lack of understanding or discussion just a sense of if you don't do what I do or say, or don't believe the same things as I do then your a bad person unworthy of any income. There is no discussion or trying to understand where everyone is coming from. I have just seen lately people seem to judge those who are not 100 percent powering up, some people need to use their earnings to invest in materials to improve, some to live off, the site was developed with a 50 50 split to enable people to have an investment and an income simultaneously. Yes it's amazing when people can invest everything they earn and wait for maturity of their earnings, at which point they too will withdraw their money. But someone is not lesser for not doing that. I feel like people are not looking at the fact everyone is not them, everyone doesn't have their exact same life set up etc. I mean it is fine of course to choose not to vote for people who do not do the exact things you deem to be acceptable/ worthy but quite another to be able to take away all their earnings. I really wish you success with this and I support it. I want to love hive I really do , I don't want to feel dread and fear logging in. I actually think having more than one platform helps the space, it brings more awareness to blockchain platforms and encourages improvement and growth. Costa and Nero and Starbucks do not hurt one another, if anything they all contributed to the take away coffee sector growing.
Sometimes it does look like there is a total lack of empathy and understanding from some of the downvoters - to the point of bordering sociopathy in some cases.. However, at the same time, the combination of avoidance of commentary, posturing of superiority and general anti-social psychology tends to also point my mind in the direction that some of them are carrying out an agenda under the guise of being unthinking asshats.
it's highly possible just like in the gov there are some at the very top energetically manipulating people to serve for them and fight amongst one another by pulling a few emotional strings. When people are easily triggered by things and have strong emotional reactions and jump into attack and defend very easily, those people are easy to be controlled to work for the people at the very tops agenda, even if they don't realise thats what they are doing. Have you ever read the hermetic principles? I mean we have all been manipulated through our emotions since the dawn of time, it wouldn't surprise me if there are some behinds the scenes doing it here as well. It's so easy to get people to just continually fight amongst one another whilst cleaning up the wealth. Crypto has big money now you can see the markets are manipulated all the time to trigger panic selling and buying.
Absolutely, though the networks of 'unloving essence' are not limited only to the most wealthy or 'powerful' in society - there is a hidden side to this which involves people at all tiers of society denying their own power and thus being unloving to themselves. The ones who 'call the shots' mostly only have denied power of other people to work with. We need to include our own will and self within the definition of love - something that has been frowned upon by confused people since the beginning.
The problem, in general, is a lack of acceptance for real emotions and this has led to the vast pools of unprocessed emotions that tend to degrade into terror/rage and hate over time as they feel more and more rejected. This is why we find seemingly small triggers sometimes exploding out of all proportion in a person who is very backed up (the origin of many murders, road rage and wars). Anyone who is out of balance due to denial will find that they are open to becoming a puppet for some other entity, yes.
Knowing who we are and our connection to 'all that is' is necessary to remove the fixation on money and to know that it is only a symbol of abundance that is not really necessary at all. That being said, we are in a grey area where many people already know this but many others don't and we don't yet have a majority who are headed for liberation.. So, we have these 'interesting' clashes happening.
I am fairly clear that Justin Sun's activity was CCP orchestrated as Steem was the only real free speech network on the web at the time.. He just happened to come out of Wuhan and buy Steem to censor it just as COVID19 'happened' in Wuhan. I also experienced Tribe.net getting shut down by Cisco (CCP allied) years ago too - so I am under no illusion that the same thing could be happening again here and may continue to happen until we find a solid fix.
In the case of Hive, being able to create (fork) individual niche communities on Hive should make each community as defendable as Steem was overall, once it was forked into Hive. Fun times ahead! lol
Very very interrsting about the timing of Justin sun, I did not connect that and everything is always connected - there are no coincidences. Altho the bad players have been around since the beginning of steemit days. Have you seen blurt ? it has no downvotes. Sure it misses a large chunk of the amazing community for now, but it is a great societal experiment to watch, in that it gives full responsibility to its users on how to conduct themselves.
Oh yes, there are no accidents.. Even the car accidents.. lol.
Essentially, once free will starts to move, the ancient imprints get triggered that say that free will is 'dangerous' and all of a sudden the agents of control appear to shut things down. We can overcome it, but need to understand and feel the source code deeply.
I have seen Blurt, yes, I haven't logged in there yet though as I have limited time and want to work to improve Hive first. It's good to have a backup plan!
Yes communities would be great I guess like fb choosing who you are connected to and not connected to. I feel some groups of people would actually be able to manage themselves quite nicely tbh through civil discussion and open mess to listen to everyone’s perspective. That takes some work for everyone but I do believe it’s possible.
Yes, freedom of association is necessary in such a contrasting world. Hive makes the most sense to me as an underlying technology layer, moreso than being a place for everyone to come together in one space.. Imagine if the internet's HTML/http layer didn't have websites on top of it and there was only once big website. lol. ;)
It is frustrating as a dualistic mirroring effect happens to the person being downvoted or seeing the downvotes daily.
I take all attacks on me as an opportunity to find the parts of myself that need nurture and balanced as I know we attract most of what we experience, one way or another. I know we are all one - so there's no point in attacking anyone - that said, I haven't yet got to the core of this matter in me ;)
It is people like you that reminds me life is fluid and not regimented. You help me from disconnecting from Hive out of stress that triggers my complex ptsd that causes me to get dizzy, foggy eyed and shaky. Thank you for being a rock on Hive and not giving up. Sorry for trying to encourage you off Hive to the second layer or to blockchain gaming. I think your efforts is inspiring and allows me to overcome negative thought loops. It can be so isolating being in a big city full of people that anymore still want the goberment to control us... or so it seems. I got trust issues can you tell? 😂
You are welcome and thankyou for being you! I don't think anyone outside of the jungles has escaped being damaged by the modern human experience. Knowing how to process emotions and live with heart balance is going to become ever more needed. Being fluid is absolutely key, yes - strong enough to smash obstacles but free enough to move without harm too :)
No need to apologise, I appreciate all helpful ideas - there's no need to think of only one blockchain as having all the answers - I imagine in the future we might find sites like this that are more like 'blockchain malls', where you can easily switch between chains on the same site for various reason.
Thank you as well! This proposal already is getting more support than expected! Ultimately this is about spreading awareness and having productive conversations to implement healthy and sustainble changes to our beloved chain. It is people like you that helps keep this attitude within me and others alive with postive comments and attention! Thank you for being you!
I completely agree, I have my opinions others have theirs it doesn't mean any of us are 'right', is there even such a thing as right, but just different perspectives. A lot of people seem unable to see other peoples perspectives and have a healthy discussion about them, I mean we could all be better at that for sure, me too, but probably if opinions are too different its best to just maybe not interact with that person. My relationship with my partner is super harmonious because on most core things we think the same and the things we don't we just accept about the other person without trying to change one another. If we were too different in opinion on huge core issues then it would be a pretty sad and toxic connection. There is nothing wrong with just accepting some people are too different in mindset to connect with, that doesn't make you or them right or wrong. It doesn't mean you have to 'punish' them, I have seen people getting taken to zero just because they believe the earth is flat, I mean so what?! lol
Yeah creates a very unhealthy environment when the comment section is not utilized but rather downvotes more so than not in lieu of discussing grievances with the content that may prevent downvotes.
I like the thread with @pfunk and I here and think there is another solution involving @hivewatchers dao, maybe @patrice and pfunk working together or just pfunk to produce a document outlining this issues and being able to act as community collectively in a more healthy way.
I personally would like to open a dialogue with hive watchers, they do serve a very useful purpose but sometimes they just take it too far. I have been flagged multiple times and rather than being asked to present myself and show that it is my work, which I am very happy to do since everything I post is my own. Rather than be asked nicely I have had 3 occasions now where I have just been blacklisted and told I am plagiarising and all my comments posts etc go to 0 til I sort it out. I think there is a nicer way of asking people to present themselves and verify who they are. I had it done to me 3 times as they lost the list. Now I know they are busy etc but it is quite triggering to log in one day and be told you have been black listed for plagiarism and blocked from using the site when you have not. I feel it would be so much nicer for it to say, hi we would just like you to come and confirm who you are and present yourself etc. I have also seen some experiences from others that it was just a bit too harsh on new people trying to learn the ropes and find their feet. Having said that I think it is great they help fight plagiarism and abuse I just think there could be a discussion there about it from my own personal experience as an artist and a photographer.
are you guys on discord?
I do not like discord. I just rejoined Neoxians group on the secure Matrix.io chat.
I love this community. More blockchain gaming peeps but still other content is thriving in their community. Matrix can be annoying to set up but it is secure.
I also normally don't use it just wanted to have a little chat with you.
Yeah, I wish the peakd openchat thing actually worked constantly. I encourage you to join this chat app. We can talk more there and I am sure you would really enjoy this community
BLURT could integrate Matrix:Element@frankbacon faster than anyone iBET.
thankyou for your support on my posts btw <3.i need to recharge my vote did way too much curation over the last two days as been at home.
Oh its fine... today my hive power delegation ends and have been exhausting my HP past two days to utilize last bit of HP. I have a @dynamichivers account I will be reviving andcurating/posting with again. Will be more art centered but there are people like @ura-soul I need to support and engage with more.
<3 your a gem.
So now I talked about this cura angel came for me lol Bring on these new systems
My discord is dynamicgreentk#1126
Ok going to send you some stuff. X
ok
IT SAYS your not accepting friends I am Sarah Louise #7881
hahaha yeah discord is a something I use rarely and had some close calls with I try to keep it secure