Sorry but the general view on downvotes from people always comes off like something because they've gotten used to no downvotes.
You don't see people on Reddit complaining about their posts getting downvoted, whether or not they're earning from it is mostly no but some times it could be a link share to their youtube where they could earn from adrevenue. Just because Hive openly tells you who downvoted your post creates a lot of unnecessary drama, demands start flying as to why and often people look for ways to retaliate or compare with others who didn't get downvoted at the time.
Most of this all just screams entitlement in my eyes.
Excessive self-votes or vote-trading can be just as bad as downvotes if not worse as it affects the way you grow on the platform. If you're at 100k HP mostly from having self-voted and vote-traded but another user reached 100k after 2x longer time cause they've put a lot more effort into getting there without self-voting/trading then how is that fair and would a little downvoting making your journey to 100k take a bit longer or at least the same amount of time as that other user destroy the platform? I don't think so.
When it comes to retaliatory downvotes or usage based off of disagreement other than rewards it is important that the community steps up and counters them, even with the risk of getting downvoted in the process and earning less curation rewards due to the counter. Luckily we don't see those downvotes often these days but it requires some additional effort to counter "bad" downvotes but there are tools to make that happen.
So while that is serious, occasional downvotes like the ones in this example aren't all that bad, usually both the downvoter and downvoted person get over it eventually, or should at least, I know some people really love holding grudges and maybe that says more about them and their view on money.
It's important to remember that this is mining gamified, some times something unexpected can happen and that doesn't usually mean there's a problem with the network nor should authors get used to it always being sunshine and rainbows once they make it and have stake as we see on steem and blurt. The pros of having downvotes far outweigh the cons and bad usage of them, until the day I see downvotes used excessively and in bad faith a lot I'll stand with that opinion.
Also good points for downvoting, but it feels really bad getting downvoted, and not knowing in the first moment what happened, why getting downvoted, only getting the information after replying back and forth. I think downvotes also work differently on hive like on reddit. On reddit users are more used to downvotes whereas here it feels more like a flag, removing rewards, appreciation etc.
I know it's not a good excuse, but the problem/practice of self-voting is much more far spread than most users think. @mein-senf-dazu did a brief analysis now using hive sql, and found out that 27% accounts are self-voting in September, some big whales getting the majority of Rshares.
I think if we agree to ban self-votes, account farming, vote selling, bot delegations to self-upvote a group of users only, we should do it for all users not just a few, randomly picked.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@mein-senf-dazu/22386-selfvotes-from-2335-accounts-in-september-24-22386-selfvotes-von-2335-accounts-im-september-24-ayg#@vikisecrets/re-mein-senf-dazu-skn731
As I said I personally am a lot less against self-votes as others, as @gtg once said, if you don't value your own post, why post it to begin with? It's more about doing it excessively and if the intention is always to do it for the returns with as little effort as possible behind the actual content. I'd have nothing against most users self-voting as most don't post more than once or twice per day and most of them don't shitpost/low effort but I appreciate that many of them don't as it's nice to have extra voting power to trail or delegate to a project that supports newcomers/underrewarded users if you're not going to curate yourself.
Either way, that post seems interesting, the number seem quite high indeed. I'd be interested in knowing more info about those accounts and what the self-votes do (for instance I some times "self-vote" @poshtoken and @redditposh but it's not like the rewards are my own gain). Would also be interesting to know what the rshares equal to these days in terms of hp. Could you or @mein-senf-dazu send me a dm on discord? No need to include mustard!
Vote selling should be quite banned, I know there's some projects that do this in a "hidden" way but definitely something I'd reward if more people bothered to look into who's doing it excessively. For instance sending them some hive-engine token (usually their own they've created) in exchange for a hive upvote or automatically voting up users just cause they delegate to them, etc. There's many projects out there in the gray-area and some profiting quite a lot from this activity at the cost of unfairness towards users not participating.
True. I always upvote own posts. It used to be a default setting but was sub-optimal due to reverse auction we had (so upvoting your own post at the very time of voting made you lose your curation rewards due to anti-bot penalty, so it was made optional so user could chose when to vote)
More over, self voting top level posts by default on chain level could have a positive effect because those who post low effort posts would also automatically "bid" on it risking down votes (unless declined rewards).
Where you active before the payouts went live? When part of the post rewards would automatically go to comments?
bit random but wasn't sure how early you were and some discussions earlier in another comment on this post made me wonder
either way, we have a similar service as that now with @commentrewarder ^^
Yeah, but you post maybe once a month! Lol!
Does your outgoing votes looks like this? No it doesn’t!
8 100% self vote a week!