Hi @yabapmatt Survival Mode is absolutely a good idea because more game modes = + fun = + use cases for cards and tokens BUT
Modern Format is the only format that is fun for Splinterlands players who LOVE to play on Splinterlands
The Wild Format is a format with 0 fun because it is the realm of bots and is basically an idle game.
In Survival Mode will bots be allowed?
The current big problem is:
- real players can only play and have fun in one format and with only two sets of cards
- bots can use all cards from all editions AND NOW THEY WILL HAVE TWO FORMATS AT THEIR TOTAL DISPOSAL.
Does Splinterlands want to attract new real players or not?
Real players are the pillars of any game but on Splinterlands it seems that protecting the bots is the priority...
If Survival Mode will be only for real players = great idea
If Survival Mode will also be for bots = bad idea
I play manually in wild and it IS FUN. I love using the older cards that have rotated out of modern.
Hi @fatjimmy first of all, I would like to make it clear that I am not against those who create bots or those who use them.
There is in my opinion a problem related to the impossibility for an active player who wants to play only against active players like him to use all his cards and not only the cards that can be used in the Modern Format.
But in my opinion IS FUN that you who have xbot, archmage in your wallet don't use them and you write a comment in which you also say that you don't use them even though you have purchased them. Do you like to buy tokens that you don't use? :)
You can own a bot token and let It play when you don't.. Is the perfect combo to enjoy the game but not being forced to play 24 matches every day. It becomes a job, not a funny game.
well there goes his whole theory that it is 0.0% now he'll have to apologize and update his numbers. hahaha (cuz that will happen)
Hi @jarvie :)
My comment was a personal and passionate opinion as an active Splinterlands player who loves Splinterlands and was not meant to have any statistical value. I thought it was implied that it was my opinion but in fact I should have specified it better and so for that I apologize, I never have a problem with apologizing :)
But here you should apologize to yourself to have believed that fatjimmy actually plays manually nel wild format because it is certainly possible but it seems funny to me that there is someone who buys xbot and archmage and doesn't use them :) LOL
But joking aside, my opinions are completely opinable and I am interested in confronting ideas different from mine.
I am not against those who create bots or those who use them but I see a balancing problem in the options available between active players and those who use bots.
Do you think it is fair that an active player who wants to play against only active players like him can only use two sets of cards in the Modern Format while someone who uses a bot can use all the cards?
Wouldn't it be more logical to give the same option to both?
If bots are so useful why not allow them in Modern Format as well?
Why the Wild Pass?
So far I have not found a “real” active player happy to play manually against bots if you find one I would be curious to meet him ;)
These are all things that we have thoroughly considered in designing this new format and it's good that you brought them up for further discussion. The first thing to keep in mind is that most everything you have said here - while presented as facts - are actually just your opinions. It's important to understand that other people view things differently.
For example:
I understand that in your opinion Wild is "0 fun", but I know a lot of people who enjoy the game experience of using bot services in Wild. Many people enjoy idle games and I don't see any reason that Splinterlands should not provide an option for those players as long as that option doesn't take away from the experience for players who prefer an active game, which is why it is completely separate from Modern format.
This is not true at all. You seem to be categorizing "real players" as people who do not use bots. I think this is a bad way to look at it. Behind every single bot is a very real player and that group has put millions of dollars collectively into this ecosystem over the years. I can assure you that many "real players" can and do have fun in Wild format.
Yes! We want to attract players who want to test their skill against other human players in live battles (and we have been doing a lot of work on that front recently) but we ALSO want to attract players who want to compete in a more passive, collection-management style game experience. We feel that the latter is a very key demographic for Splinterlands that has contributed significantly to our success in the past but that we have been ignoring more recently, which has been to the detriment of everyone in the ecosystem.
Finally, I want to note that we clearly stated that assuming this new format is successful and we are able to work out the kinks that we will look into adding a version of this format that does not allow automated services or battle helpers to be used.
Matt I respectfully ask, where are those millions? I clearly do not see it inside our ecosystem:)
So I am going to guess that those millions are sold for cash. I rest my case.
A real human maybe, but not a real player.
If I let my chess software beat chess grandmasters that doesn't make me a chess player (maybe a good programmer, but in case I use the chess software of anybody else, I might not even be a programmer).
But fortunately, in every successful game software is strictly separated from human competition.
I don't think there there is any doubt about that point. We can all agree on that.
I am always arguing about the earnings and exploitation bit. If bots put in millions in the game they have taken their millions out and more. They were and are a net negative. How do we know? We know from price of the assets and our tokens and they don't lie.
I totally agree with you and am glad that at least one SPS whale has a medium to long term perspective for Splinterlands.
My curiosity after receiving yabpmatt's response is:
If those who use bots are so important to Splinterlands why the wild pass and why not allow bots in the Modern Format?
My idea is that Splinterlands continue to look at the short term and this I regret because Splinterlands is a beautiful game that has to look at growth in the medium to long term and bots in this growth cannot have the importance they have now...
I agree 100%
Honestly at this point, can't tell if they're just trolling real players...