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RE: Hive Community Town Hall #1 - Governance | Recap and Transcription

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@thelogicaldude:** I wanted to real quick piggyback on WOO's comments about building businesses on Hive. It is absolutely the best chain to do so. I've tried to build on different chains, but I keep coming back to Hive and, you know, so, you know, with Hive List and Blocktunes and Hive Hustlers, it just was the best fit, to really get a business going, whether it's just a.

You know branded blog like hive hustlers has turned out to be and you know, like my, you know, e commerce site like hive list, you know, you there's ton of opportunities out there. So, um, yeah, don't limit yourself.

But my biggest thing and kind of goes to that too is, you know getting Engaged in the community is also extremely important and one thing that small users Tend to be a little, a little wary of is trying to get in and actually jump in and engage with these, you know, with these different accounts, you know, a lot of us are actually looking for feedback from the community because, you know, how are we supposed to know what the community wants without?

You know the feedback from the community. So it's important for small users to really engage and get involved And you know put their say out there kind of thing whether you know It's logical or not, you know, it's you know, there's never a dumb question is what I always grew up saying, you know so, um, but yeah, don't be afraid to get engaged and that's you know, and I see things All the time on how to build yourself individually on hive, you know, and my biggest piece of advice to that is to not worry about your own content At 1st.

Get involved in other people's content. Comment does what a lot of people don't realize is comments are essentially posts. So you can not have a very long opinion about something, you know, if it's on one of the short forms and, you know, you may have to expand, um, on a different front end or something, but, uh, yeah, put your, put your voice out there, get involved because you never know who you're going to get, who you're going to meet, who you're going to get yourself involved with and where it's going to eventually take you.

I never thought that three years ago, I'd essentially be living almost full time on crypto. Well, it's happened and here I am, and I've got a huge community of people that, you know, have helped make that happen, you know, so get out there, get involved. Don't be scared. That's what I had to say.

@moderator: 100 percent and engagement is also a way that you can grow your influence on Hive.

There are many, many stakeholders who. I mean, at first glance would be like, Oh, this guy has 10, 000 high power. This guy has 20, 000 high power. Yes. But his follower base is huge because they engage with other people. They comment, they get involved with the community and their influence within governance is bigger than what their wallet says.

@thelogicaldude: Yeah, you can't always go by what your wallet says because like I said, people like me, we actually live on this stuff. I'm in the middle of a power down now to pay for a cross country move. I'm moving from one side of the US to the other, actually leaving in a couple of hours.

And so, yeah, you can't always go by what's in the wallet. You just, reputation's a good one to kind of go by here, you know, there's some flaws and that. Um, You know, in the reputation numbers and that kind of thing, but it's just what the person is contributing to the blockchain. You can look at all that on chain, like criminal saying earlier, you can verify, you can see what these people are about by what they're posting on chain.

So go by that versus just a wallet amount.

@hugomarcel (written): Everyone on Hive needs to be on this space. I have learned more about the Hive ecosystem on spaces than I have on the blog side of things. People need to know what governance and witnesses are.

@moderator: So how, like, as a big community leader, how can we make these spaces, uh, get more reach?

I mean, we just talked about the planning. We are going to announce this for the next month, uh, with more, with more, with more advanced and pick a time that is better for everyone. But how, how can we, or how can the community get involved in, in pushing this? Uh, far and wide, so that more people attend and more people learn.

We're going to change topics every month. We're going to have dab, uh, guests. We're going to have witnesses that, uh, as guests. So, what's up?

@crimsonclad: So, you're the Twitter expert, my man. Uh, X X expert? That's a terrible portmanteau. Um, to be quite honest, this answer is not a slam. Um, but what I will say is that, uh, the best way to learn is to try and teach if you have the joy for it.

Um, and so We have a lot of people who actually do these types of events, and so the best kind of way to do this is, you know, take a crack at it, come to the ones that you have a chance to come to, obviously, share them around, but realistically, encourage people in your own groups and spaces to build them, and you know, I mean, here we've got Task is here and, you know, John is part of your, um, witness initiative as well.

I mean, there's CTT, which is, you know, the three speak guys doing community token talk, you know, you've got the Crypto Maniacs podcast, you've got, I mean, Even up until this, this last year, um, I was doing every week on Saturday, I was doing a, um, Disruptive Tech podcast called Cyber Buzz and people would come and we would do exactly this.

And so, you know, one of the things that I think is really effective and, you know, do as I say, not as I do, because unfortunately, I got sent so many places for Hive this year that my, my own podcast kind of got pushed to the side. Um, so even when I do resume them. One of the best things you can do is as you're teaching, as you're talking, um, talking about these other spaces as well.

Um, because there is, there's, there's a form of receptiveness and responsiveness that we have when we can hear or see each other that will always be different than text. And part of it is that contextual reading. Um, but a lot of it comes down to word of mouth. How do you find out about things in the public square?

In the real world, and you guys can't see me making air quotes right now, you know, the real world, you talk about it, you talk about what you watched on TV to your friends, you talk about the podcast you listen to on the bus, um, word of mouth is so important, and so one of the best things that I would love to see is the more of these So one of the biggest initiatives that we have, whether that is, you know, the existing spaces, the existing podcasts, the existing streams on chain, is that everybody starts shouting out everybody else in that way, because you do, you remember it a little bit differently when you hear it.

Oh, and @uyobong just suggested that we actually draw like a timetable or a calendar. Um, this might be something that's really awesome. Uh, we have a new account that is started on the blockchain called BuzzParty, which actually is highlighting all of the in person events.

Maybe we can reach out and we can create on some of the front ends a calendar for things like all of these podcasts, x spaces, etcetera, that allows people to kind of jump into wherever somebody's teaching or talking, that fits their schedule. Because certainly, I mean, I'm going to be bringing back my shows on Sunday as well, because people have been, people have been really asking to do that.

And so I think. There's no upper limit on how many of these kinds of events we have. And they will grow quickly if you say, Okay, listen, we had a lot of fun in this x space. If you like this and you like half these people, well, it turns out tomorrow they're going to be over here doing it on this space.

And, uh, and you'll see that that kind of thing, that gains momentum so quickly. It's too easy to miss a text or, you know, something that just flew by in your notifications without you hearing it and having sort of the impetus and understanding the people that will be behind it.

@taksmaster4450: If I can add just 1 thing, what crim said, and not only does it apply to what she's saying, but I think this goes to the. Entire how do we market hive? Or how do we attract people to hide? Nothing attracts people more than success and promoting our successes and whether it's a spaces or whether it's a threadcast or whether it's a show like CTT, Cryptomaniacs, cryptoholics, whatever.

If we start talking about the success and saying, Hey, in the last month's spaces, uh, for the town hall, we had 200 people that lets people know there's something there, their success, and that's how we start building momentum.

I mean, it's one thing to promote stuff, and that's not a bad way to go, but nothing sells like success.

@moderator: And just like crim says, as long as we, well, the moment that we gain momentum, this is going to happen very, very fast. Uh, right now we have a hive Zealy community. Uh, that that is mostly focused on this on rallying the hive community from within the blockchain into web two and into trying to outreach more people and to make people notice hive.

Um, and that's, that's just exactly how, how this, this whole idea of the town hall came to be, we need to be vocal. We need to spread Hive. We need to tell people that Hive exists, um, and for those who are listening right now, if you scroll a little bit under the speakers, you will see that we have the, I don't want to say official because I don't even know if, if, if, if the word applies, but we have the community representative X account, you will see it as Hiveblocks, just click on that and follow if you are not following, Uh, and just be on the lookout because this is the account where the hive community puts out, uh, all of the important announcements and all of the things to be aware of.

So if you haven't followed them, go do it now, please. If you are very kind, I'm just searching on the threadcast for more, for more, um, for more comments.

@princessbusayo: Don't laugh at me, please. When I first joined Hive and saw Arcange asking to be voted as a witness, I thought he was a scammer, but now that I have seen, now that I've learned about it, and now that I know more about Hive, I know who he is.

@moderator: The point here is people don't know what witnesses are and what, what are, what is the purpose of witnesses. So, um, yes, I don't know if someone else wants to add anything to the conversation here. I'm just going to go on a rant reading comments from the audience. But if someone else wants to add something, now's the time.

I'm going to put you on the spot, Nifty, and say that you want to say something.

@l337m45732:** Yeah, I, I just unmuted anyway, so I beat you to it. Um, in a, in a non, uh, hard to understand way, the witnesses are our community representatives. They're, they're the people that are voted in by everyone that has a stake on Hive, that has any amount of Hive power.

Anyone can vote even if you only have one Hive power. So the witnesses are the voice of, of community and they're the ones looking out for the best interest of the blockchain. And keeping it running. So if you don't vote for witnesses do yourself a favor,, you can do it from peak D you can go to, uh, you know, your witness votes that I can't think of exactly how to get there at the moment.

Um, but yeah, you can go to your witness votes and, and you can take a scroll through and see if you recognize any of those names there. And, you know, if you do go ahead and give them some support. I know hive Cuba has one. I know Leo finance has one, of course, a town hall-will be live very soon. Um, so yeah, go support the people that are active, go support the people that are speaking on these spaces outward, you know, to, to beyond hive, uh, not, not necessarily the echo chamber.

Um, yeah, so definitely if you don't vote for any witnesses or don't know how to do that, reach out to one of us. Make your vote count.

@thelogicaldude: So just to piggyback on that, and to not forget our second layers too, so some of the, uh, witnesses don't, uh, some of the people that operate, say, you know, side... Uh, like myself, uh, we don't necessarily have a full hive witness, but we may actually support the second layer.

So check that out too. Not to complicate things any further, but Hive Engine does also have a witness structure as well. You have to have the workerbee token to vote for that. Uh, and that also earns you some of their B token too. So definitely make sure to do not forget the Hive Engine witnesses because we are also working really hard to secure the second layer.

@moderator: Yeah, I cannot echo this more. Uh, yes, the high governance is important, but as we grow and as we evolve, there's going to be a lot of layer twos and a lot of dApps that will need the involvement of, of the token holders. So just like the logical dude says, you not only need to vote on the layer one, there are also a lot of layer two, uh, places where, where, where we need to be decentralized.

@brando28 (written):Question about supporting multiple witnesses is my vote power divided between them. Are those the same spot or does the same power support each one.

@moderator: to answer that question. If you have 1000 HP and you vote for 30 witnesses, your 1000 Hive power will support all of them with 1k HP.

So you are not dividing it, you are using all of your high power for each of your 30 witness votes.

@bitcoinflood (written): I don't think it's much to ask a witness to post about what they are doing once a month to keep everyone informed as to what they are doing, even if it's as simple as, Securing the chain.

@crimsonclad: I'm gonna just kind of throw in here. Um, I actually agree with you wholeheartedly But I will say from the opposite side of it. Um, how how it can happen that This may not be the case, so some of you guys may know, some of you may not, uh, from the legacy chain forwards, I was a consensus block producer for more than five years, uh, so basically right through the split and right up till recently, I was one of the top 20 witnesses, um, I will tell you, Boy, oh boy, did I suck at posting.

And in general now, I suck at posting. And it is actually soul crushing, to be quite honest. Um, it's, it's difficult because depending on the role that you take on, Uh, how you are perceived and how your posts do is another weird thing that kind of happens. So I'm just going to throw this out there is nobody's actually really immune to overthinking about things like downvotes and upvotes and this that and the other thing.

Um, but for me personally, uh, I usually work about six hours a day on Hive stuff. Uh, and by the time that I get back to just Should I make a post explaining that today I took some more meetings and did, you know, my software is good? Is that adding to the conversation? No, it's not. Um, you know, and part of that comes back to the expectation that witnesses also be contactable in You know as the flip side and I think and hope that I'm open and accessible to everyone, But I will say as somebody who really really struggled with that balance because of the enormity of work that I take on Um, i'm not sure what the right answer is there But one thing that always played on my mind and that became actually a little bit problematic and probably something that we can talk about.

When I did make a post, it would get So many votes. Too many votes, to be quite honest, for a witness update. It would make way too much rewards. And that became something that, incredibly problematic in that, you know, for some people they felt, well, here's another witness just getting voted on by everyone and making all this money.

And it actually bred a little bit of resentment. Um, and that became something that has played in my mind a lot about how I approach when I communicate on chain. The problem is when you do kind of become a, Um, somebody that's recognized or often that, you know, I guess is liked or whatever. Um, sometimes your posts are over rewarded and that's fine but it, for people who aren't really aware of that relationship, it feels either disheartening or upsetting or in a lot of cases people feel that they're sort of collusion or circle jerking and these are all these sort of really complex topics that don't come to mind until you get deep into Hive and you've spent some time here.

Um, but it's a part that impacts governance that I think about quite a lot, especially on my own behalf. Um, and I don't have a great answer for that. But in terms of, you know, if I've got X amount of time today to spend on Hive tasks, is it gonna be rewriting the same automated post twice a week and just powering along that way, or is it going to be actionable stuff?

And for me, I've chosen actionable stuff, and, and so I think there's probably going to be a lot of feedback where people tell me, well, you've chosen wrong. Um, and I'll be interested to hear that, because now, at current, um, I'm not actually witnessing.

My approach to things has kind of calmed down a bit, because I don't have that same sort of, community requirement, uh, if you want to call it that. So, yeah, I, I'd kind of be interested to hear, is there a time or a place where you think it is okay that witnesses don't give magically, sort of weekly consistent updates or super consistent updates?

Or no, it should happen, and what does that look like?

** @kenechukwu97 (written):** This is the first shot at this town hall meetup. And everything already looks well planned and organized.

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Oh, and @uyobong just suggested that we actually draw like a timetable or a calendar. Um, this might be something that's really awesome. Uh, we have a new account that is started on the blockchain called BuzzParty, which actually is highlighting all of the in person events.

I'm waiting for the Buzz party calendar and all sorts of engagements ahead of the next townhall.