So we'll be decentralized in that method as well. So I think just more and more decentralization. Yes, we could think about all the cool things that the back end developers can do with blocktrades and others with big goals with their H. A. F. System and potentially, smart contracts, but we can't depend on that right now because that's still just a maybe what we have right now is amazing and we can do so much to build an ecosystem and this town hall helps with that because then other people create these projects, doing businesses can see, oh, I have a support, I have a community. That one guy that's talking on the town hall is doing something similar. Maybe I can reach out to him. I'd have a way to reach out to him.
And we can grow the community that way. I'd love to get in also things that people have tried in different ways, like polling and voting is a thing. I'd love to see a good decentralized method that you could, on no matter what site, use that system and people can interact with votes and polls in kind of a soft consensus sort of way.
And one of the developers on Hive is working on that project with us, and helping on that too, as well. So I just like to see a lot of these tools and a lot more get developed so that any project coming into Hive has a really rich ecosystem to work with. So that's the next year. If not. Obviously 5 is way down the road.
moderator:
The key is to keep building and the key is to keep giving the users more options, more alternatives to what we already have, not to compete, but to allow the user to just choose whatever they want. Bookerman from wrestling organization online, they are not a front end, but they are a game and they want to add something to the conversation.
@bookerman (WOO):
I just wanted to hop in real quick. And I know you were talking about bringing in users over the next five years. And what we are actually currently working towards is leveraging our position with, and our relationship with former professional wrestlers to help drive more viewers to Hive.
And if you're not familiar with what we do, We are a wrestling organization online, otherwise known as Woo. And we are a video game that is partnering with former professional wrestlers, retired professional wrestlers to help bring awareness to their issues. And like I said it works both ways by us partnering with these wrestlers, it brings more eyes to hive.
What we're actually doing in that regard is we're building front end websites for each and every one of our partners. Currently we have eight partners and that list is constantly growing. And those front ends will not only talk about the partners and their stories, but it'll also have direct links to hive and it'll have feeds, almost like an RSS feed on the page where people can see posts that are written about these partners. So anytime anyone searches for one of these wrestlers the chance of that website popping up for them and possibly bringing them over to Hive is much greater than not. We are very niche where we are plugged into specifically the wrestling community.
And the thing about Hive too is they didn't really have a wrestling community on Hive before us. So we're really trying to bridge that gap and bring just the average wrestling fan over to Hive. So they could talk about wrestling, talk about the pay per views, talk about their favorite wrestlers and see some of these wrestlers come over to Hive.
And start posting their content on Hive in a decentralized way and earning from it. It's actually a really cool collaboration we got going. We're also going to WrestleCon and San Diego Comic Con. And the cool thing with that is, we'll actually be giving... People free eight by 10 pitchers. All they have to do is sign up for a hive account.
So we're going to be handing out three pitchers with our wrestlers, again, we have eight partner wrestlers at this moment and all they have to do is join hive. So I think it's a nice little angle. We are working towards that this year and over the five years really the sky's the limit. I appreciate you guys for having me.
And I'm going to go ahead and shut up now, cause I don't sound as awesome as Elmer. God, he has a great voice.
moderator:
What you guys are going to do with the comic con and with all of the actual in real life outreach, which is something that we might need. Maybe we don't need it, that's up to the founders to decide. I'm going to go with Grampo to hear about his takes on the future and what he's planning for the roadmap over the next five years. And then we're going to go to Vaulttec. He's gonna help us with a little intermission. So the founders can think of things to add to the conversation.
But yeah, Grampo, five years from now, Waivio, Hive, what's up?
Grampo:
Five years, obviously, is a long time. So we on hive have a very advanced layer one. Development teams. We're building apps, and it's amazing to hear all of the updates and all of the visions that can be put forward by people who understand development and actually have developers working with them.
But with way view, what we want to do is to allow this level off creativity to be In the hands off just regularly users so that they're not only able to create content whether it's long form, short form updates on their fitness activity, but in fact, building pretty complicated projects whether it will be in, fitness and beauty and hobbies like, I don't know, fishing, traveling, hiking, camping any specific interest and allow people to build their own websites their own social shops with the active social feeds. So that basically it's a social community around the topic. And allow and basically give enough tools for people without technical knowledge to be able to build their custom projects on Hive and leveraging specifically the web three advantage where for example, like just, I'll start with a comparison, like in a regular e commerce world, every project is an island, so they have their own database of users they basically create their Database of products, trying to collect user reviews and everything here on Hive.
It doesn't matter how small your shopping project is going to be. On your website, you have full access to the entire depth of knowledge, which is already stored on Hive blockchain. You don't have to be a developer to build very sophisticated projects. As a next step, we envision bringing social influencers from other blockchain, not blockchain necessarily, social platforms to start their social shops on Hive specifically because this type of functionality is simply not available on platforms.
You can go to Squarespace and create a website, but that's going to be a brochure. If you want a continuously updated social shop, you can only build it on Web3. You can only build it on Hive and we can bring advantage to influencers on other platforms where they can monetize their audiences, where they can monetize their followers and basically invite them to Hive.
We have a reward system. I can talk for a long time, but I hope it gives an overall idea as to what we see in that space. And guys from the audience, if you are not following Waveio, that's at W A I V I O, basically it came from the word waiver. So basically where you have some something, like a knowledge or information and you waive rights.
So basically you give it into the public space. So in this case, for example, like if I'm a manufacturer and I have products, I have a catalog. Publish it on the high blockchain so that now everyone can use it in their project. And if I update that information about the product, so it's automatically updated in all of the shops.
There is nothing else to do. It will be automatically updated. So that's where the Waivio name came from.
moderator:
Amazing. And guys, we are currently the top two spaces in the whole Web3 ecosystem on X right now. So we just need a few more users to join the space, spread this. We still have an hour to go share it with your friends on Discord, on threads, on Waves, on DBus, just tell people to come.
This is actually a great way to reach out to more people from outside of the Hive ecosystem. And we have @ecoinstant here. He's the founder of Dreamr, an app that is not yet out, but he's here to give us all the alpha. What's up Ecoinstant?
@ecoinstant (Dreamr):
Hey guys, how's it going all good around here? I Love hearing everything. Now some of you may know me. I do a lot of different stuff. I got my eco bank project, I run the income synergy fund. I recently Joined up with Hive Colombia. We're working to onboard, continuing the success that Venezuela, the Hive Venezuela team has had in Spanish onboarding. And there is this project that I've been working on for a while.
You can, you guys can check it out at crypto dreamer. com. And it's really an alternative. To onboarding. It's something I've been working on for a while. We've completed the alpha stage this year, and we're going to be launching beta really shortly. But basically this is a way for groups of people, masterminds, you might call it, to collaborate on a single Hive account.
So you, let's say you listener have a Hive account, you have an idea, you want to make a blog, a content, a specific niche. And you have your friends, they can write content too, but they don't understand crypto. They don't make an account. It's easier than ever, but still, you gotta learn stuff, Hive Power, RCs, so Dreamer is a platform where your friends can log in with Twitter.
With Facebook, with Google. We don't actually have Google integrated yet. That one's a little trickier. But we've got Twitter working. Facebook is, I think, mostly working. And they can submit a post. They can, they have an editor there. They can upload their images. They can submit a post. And you, the holder of the key, do not have to share keys with anybody.
You log in. You see their submissions. You can edit it and you can post it with Hive Keychain to a shared account, an account that you can manage and you can share the rewards with your community, however you think our alpha testing we did with the Kinta Essentia account. And what we just did is we said all the HBD that your post earns.
We're gonna give that to you and I was a broker. I paid him out in pesos, but a lot of those people Eventually made hive accounts. They said it clicked through them. Oh My gosh, I am writing content and I can have my own account Yes, so it's a way for them to get involved before they have an account And if you could check out QuintaEssentia account, we put it, right at the top, the author's profile pic, the bio, this is the person that wrote it.
We had six different authors successfully publish posts on QuintaEssentia during our alpha period. And we are looking for people, communities, projects that are interested in teaming up with us for our beta. That would like to manage a single posting account with multiple people with or without Hive accounts.
So just reach out to me on discord. You got to send me a friend request. I know I've talked to Django about this in the past. I've talked to a couple other communities, but it's real, it's coming and that we've had a lot of success and we will be launching hopefully by Christmas and open beta for anybody who wants to try this out, manage a group of writers without sharing is on a single hive posting account. That's what it's all about.
moderator:
It sounds like the perfect Christmas gift for the hive community. And I'm looking really forward to seeing how the better version looks like.
We have Vaultec here. Can you tell us a little bit about your proposal? I can see that it's only 450,000 HP of support to actually surpass the return proposal. So do you want to tell us what is this proposal about in very simple terms so that everyone can understand what they are voting for in case they decide to do so?
@vaultec (VSC):
So this proposal is the very first VSC DHF proposal. And so what that means is it's the kind of first stage of our development over the next four or so months. And that is to build a very basic VSC test net.
And then also alongside build a very basic fairly basic at first form of Bitcoin, decentralized Bitcoin wrapping on VSC. So that testnet would just be the main kind of bare bones of what VSC does, which is... Decentralized smart contracts. Bringing decentralized open use smart contracts to Hive, meaning that anyone can go in and to deploy a smart contract.
Right now with alternatives like Hive Engine you have no ability to actually deploy a smart contract. So there's no customization you can do, there's no app specific contracts, it's all these very general smart contracts that only one person can deploy, and there's no customization.
On top of that, there's no built in scalability. We're also aiming to have everything on IPFS for VSC, mostly everything aside from some on chain stuff. Making it hyper scalable, anyone can interact with VSC with a non hive account. You can just have your off chain identity and then you can go in and...
Interact with VSC smart contracts as if you're a normal I've used it no different so easy onboarding being able to bring in users from other ecosystems and have them log in and interact with smart contracts and then also being an open an open interface and I can go into a bit more details, but So to sum it up, it's decentralized smart contracts on Hive.
moderator:
No, we actually want more details. So if I was a normal user or if I was someone who doesn't know what smart contracts are or how valuable this is to have on the layer two and to actually have wrapped Bitcoin as a tool for this, how can someone or how can we put this on simple terms?
What is a smart contract and what does it allow the Hive user base to do on the Hive blockchain
Vaultec:
So a smart contract is essentially code that an application or group developers have created. And that code is essentially it's law. So if you have some action that you want to do or specific let's just say you have a decks and you have two people, two parties going in.
And you are saying, okay, this person wants this NFT for ten hives. And they agree on that they put their money into the smart contract They put the nft in the smart contract to put the money in the smart contract And then when a smart contract realizes that the conditions have been met for both of the trades that this person wants 10 hive or 10 hbd, then this person wants this NFT instead, then they would execute that swap.
So it effectively allows us to program not only just agreements between people for trading that's completely trustless, but also entire kind of systems, customizable systems on chain that operate without a server and without any kind of user intervention or human intervention to actually run these things.
So if you have something like a domain name contract where you might register something in there as like a domain name that can be completely trustless and completely devoid of an actual server, it's all running within that smart contract itself. And then again, for the NFTs, for example, you want all of your NFT metadata just stored right on chain.
It's stored in a smart contract. You can trade you could mint you could do all of that through this autonomous, system And then that code can be whatever you want so people can program their own smart contracts They can customize it can write new forms of tokens new forms of nfts they can do maybe a dedicated one for games where you might have a game nft that has some special property about it maybe you want to have a Some you have a character and then you can give them armor or give them a sword and each one of those are components of the nfts and so Building that framework that allows anyone to go in and really write that code is very powerful.
It just means a whole end of of like Customizability for on chain logic, like right now, really what you can do on chain is fairly basic. You can just put your custom JSON, you can do transfers and that's about it. And that's the same for a lot of different chains, even like Bitcoin and others.
But then with Ethereum, you see the smart contracts are going to go in. You can create a smart contract that now allows you to do all of these different things. It's a massive ecosystem, much bigger than just transfers. And those very basic operations So it just opens massive doors for Hive, I think, and especially doing that on a layer two helps by making it easy to onboard as well and limitations that it uplifts.
moderator:
This is basically going to be Hive on steroids. We already have a lot of capabilities, but with this one we are actually going to be able to do so much more at the layer one level and also at layer two. So if you're not voting for this proposal and you like what VaultTec said, or you want to do more research, you just have to go to @vsc.network on the front end of your choice and check it out. It's their latest post. And yeah, so I thank you very much VaultTec. This was very informative.
McFarhat:
This was fantastic. I just want to stress on the idea about collaboration. And supporting each other. We're seeing so much growth in the ecosystem of hive and what everyone has shared on the call is amazing. From our perspective as actifit, we really stress on the concept of supporting and building together.
Improving what doesn't work and supporting what works. Like for example, the VSC case, we really love this initiative. We run a node in support of VSC. With with with pt for example we integrate stink chat to our to our app and then to our web. And we run a node in support of decentralizing it with threespeak.
We run so many nodes in support of the SPK network. We just love those initiatives with which are mostly focused on, on open source decentralization. And that really work, and if they don't get enough attention. And they are not spread enough on the network and the different apps are not leveraging.
This the strength that is there. They might not reach the proper audience. For us, people who are coming for fitness they stumble upon stink chat. They stumble upon a video content. They find all of these different ideas there. They start using it. And this from our perspective is a very important.
One of the wings for hive to fly because you really want all this functionality and to expose the whole ecosystem. On the other hand, the social promotion and everything that's happening, we also love what Leo are doing. So all of this promotion that's happening over there this whole social exposure.
This is important. This is critical to just spread the word out there. Just tell everyone we're here, we're building, we're doing that, share what everyone is doing. From our perspective with actifit, whenever we find something interesting, we share it. We share news about hive, about the different daps, whatever we find.
That's essential to share and to spread the word And to let people know about what's really happening. So we just, for example, had recently an event here in, in our, in where I'm based in Lebanon. We had a brochure and we put in around eight daps on hive just to spread the news about people to bring their attention.
So you're getting paid to be fit, but there's also this and this and this and this on Hive, there's there's 3Speak, there's Liketu, there's InLeo, there's there's Dbuzz, there's all these different components. You just gotta tell people about it, help people build, collaborate with the infrastructure if you're technical enough, luckily we are technical on our team, we run more than 20 servers just in support of Hive and the different initiatives. So wherever you think you can contribute from our perspective to building and growing Hive this is where we believe is the future.
moderator:
McFarhat you actually already started section three. Thank you very much because that's where we were going. I knew it. I knew it. So I'm going to shut up. I'm going to let the guys who know what they're talking about, the founders. We have a bunch of founders here who know they, they have probably around 30 years, maybe 40, 40 years of experience on building on Hive and building a community here.
Guys. What can we do to improve Hive? How can we tackle the problems that we have or the obstacles? Just try to make this as building as possible. And I'm just going to let Nifty add to the conversation and maybe spark some topics so that you guys can actually share all the alpha and all of your knowledge.
moderator:
I was just going to jump in and say please put your hand up. Even if you're just going to jump in, put your hand up so other people know you're going to jump in and then, whoever finishes speaking, you can jump in after. But I want to take it to a more general sense, everyone here that is a founder, that's running an application, a front end, a game, whatever it may be. What. What are some wins that you've seen from your onboarding initiatives?
Anything that you can share alpha wise with the other founders project leaders that worked for you to grow your user base. We're all here looking to grow together rising tide lifts all boats. So if you have some insight into things that work in terms of bringing new users to your app, but of course, bringing new users to Hive as a whole, please share those. So I want to start it with that. Whoever wants to jump in after me, put your hand up, jump in.
moderator:
Yeah, so maybe to spark the conversation a little bit I do think that social media, Web2, regarding that front. We as Hive, as a community, as an ecosystem, we, and this is just my personal opinion and maybe someone else can refute it, but we are spoiled in the sense that since we have the social side built in Hive and we don't really need to go to web to 99 percent of the projects out there from outside Hive.
They need web2 to spread their vision. Since we already have the social side, we find that it's not needed. And we realized that we have been building for so long. But we haven't really focused into building a Web2 presence and whether we like it or not, that's where our target audience is.
They are on Medium writing long form posts, they are on Reddit discussing topics, they are on X or Instagram sharing short form content. So I do think that since we already have the social site, we have neglected the Web2 experience and that's where our audience in my opinion, we should focus as a community, general community, the Hive community we should try to have more, a bigger presence on web two and how do we do this with spaces like this one, maybe we can organize a space every week with different panel rotation, maybe two or three founders coming in.
Speaking about a topic that interests Web3, Crypto, Twitter, and then try to attract them through our knowledge, through discussions, through things that can actually help them. And they will be like, Oh, so these guys know the shit. How? Sorry, this is a town hall. I shouldn't have said that. But, but we know what we're talking about.
So I want to know more about them. So they go into our profile, they see that, Oh, I'm building on peak D. I am building on like to, Oh, what the hell is like to, I'm going to go there. And then we bring in people organically. I know the founders are very busy, but. Maybe we could try to have a team of people from each front end to do this and to actually try to reach out to more people.
This is a very good organic strategy. So what are your thoughts about it?
Chris:
Okay. So in addition to reaching out to Web two, which we could all see that InLeo is doing very well at spreading the hive message on the Web to D bus has been primarily focused at in real life events. And that's why we're going to be partnering with schools where we will not only introduce hive to the schools and the students, but we will have a consistent presence at that school.
Okay. From onboarding to following up to educating to guiding to encouraging, and I think that's if we're going to on board thousands of users, tens of thousands of users or more in 2024 that actually stay around and are retained. I think the in house Education. Partnering with schools is definitely the way to go.
And I don't think it's a coincidence that Facebook is rumored to have been started at a college.
@nathansen (Dbuzz):
So just to touch on that over the last few months, I've sat with Chris and talked with Chris quite a bit about our marketing strategy hive. And an opportunity that kind of arose in front of us was going into one of the colleges here that has about 5, 000 students, and they don't have internet access for their students to be able to use.
And so one of the things that we're going to be doing over the next month. Is setting up Internet access there. We have all the equipment here now to set that up and set up a captive portal on that Internet connection. And we still haven't completely determined what the requirements will be, but basically give.
Free Internet access to all of the students on the college campus. Where they can use the internet and then have some kind of requirement for them to interact or create some action on Hive or interact with one of the Hive dApps as a way for them to gain access to, to use the internet there.
So this is one of the things that we're currently working on. We feel like with a campus with 5, 000 students, if they came on a platform like D Buzz that if all of the students there were using it it would be a lot easier to retain users because one of the issues that We've seen is we onboard people, but when they come on the platform, there's no one that they really know or the users are quite low compared to platforms like Facebook or Twitter where they do know, all their friends and family are there.
So being able to onboard a group versus individual is something that we're really going to be focused on and how to retain those users versus it just being a short use of the platform and then they don't continue to use it. So yeah that's one of the main things that we're going to be working on for the rest of the year and in the upcoming year.
Is how we can work with the colleges here to onboard their students and also provide them some services. I think that 1 of our writers that does the D bus blog, which we're going to be changing up quite a bit, is going to be doing some training courses. And some of the colleges on creative writing, because we don't want to just go in on board people onto hive.
We also want to provide some level of education. So they understand that this is not traditional social media, that the standards are a little bit higher than the content that they post has to be original. And meaningful for them to post on the content if they want to get traction on the hype blockchain.
moderator:
Yeah, love that. I think the school approach, the college approach has got a lot of potential if done in the right way. So I love that. I want to ask the question too, though. What does retention look like from the side of apps? And this is for anybody that wants to answer.
I know Booker man, you've got your hand up. So do you want to jump in for that one?
BookerMan:
Yeah I really wanted to touch on what was being said too, and I agree wholeheartedly with D Buzz and the more IRL, in real life events, and that's something we're looking to do also with our user acquisition and onboarding.
And one thing we're actually currently working on is we're actually getting some actual wrestling title belts made by the guy who actually made the WCW championship back in the mid nineties and before. But anyway we're getting a woo title belt built and we're also actually getting a hive title belt built.
So it's going to have the hive logo on it. It's going to have a bunch of hive D apps on the side. And the cool thing is with this, and I know we're specific, we're niche, like we're very targeted. But, man, every wrestling fan loves taking pictures with the title belts. Like, when you have a title belt, and it's gonna be in all the tweets, all the pictures we take when they're taking pictures with their favorite wrestlers that we're partnered with.
For example, in Philadelphia for WrestleMania and WrestleCon We have eight partnered wrestlers, and a good majority of them are ECW legends. And I know that might not mean a lot to many of you, but ECW was a very popular wrestling organization back in the 90s and early 2000s that is actually headquartered, started in Philadelphia.
So our partners have a huge amount of weight. In that area specifically and one of our partners, Perry Saturn, he hasn't been out to any events in. Over a decade, he hasn't been to an autograph signing in over a decade and people are excited to see him. And he's super behind Hive.
He loves Hive. Actually, he talks to me about it all the time. And one thing we're looking to do is actually also get our partners to put content on Hive and work with actual wrestling organizations, like independent wrestling organizations and have them put their content on Hive. A big thing in wrestling is with the dirt sheets and results of different matches.
For example, if you're a small wrestling organization that just ran a local show you might have a video of it. You could put that video on 3speak. You could start earning from it. You can also have a post that gives you results of how the match went. And it can all go back to your website too, which is nice, which...
The website would bring people to Hive, Hive would bring people to your website. We're actually partnered with a few wrestling writing sites, article sites, news sites, and we're currently working on bringing them over to have their content put on Hive in an immutable way, censorship free.
And these are all things that I think will help Hive, and I know wrestling is niche, but there's value in that. There's a bunch of value in having something super targeted. Because when we bring in a niche audience, they have a community to talk about their niche thing. They can now talk about wrestling.
Oh, did you guys see the recent pay per view? What do you guys think about this wrestler? Who's your favorite dream match? Those are going to be easier to retain than just a broad audience that is just brought into Hive and doesn't have a community necessarily that they're a part of. If you just come on, stumble onto Hive you're going to be retained by finding a community that you enjoy and it has to do with something that you are passionate about.
So again, I just wanted to reiterate, I think these IRL events are going to be great having those title belts. I cannot wait to show you guys what those are going to look like. Those I've seen some concept art, they look sick and that hive one looks really good. But having those at those IRL events, having those at San Diego Comic Con, and again, giving people value.
These wrestling fans come in and they're used to paying 50 for an autograph and an 8x10 with the wrestler, and a picture with the wrestler. And what they're gonna get is for free, they can have 8 of those. 8 signed 8x10s and 8 pictures with their favorite wrestlers of ours. All for free, all they gotta do is sign up for Hive.
Super easy, and then get them on the community, start talking about the wrestlers, tell them about, Hey, come on, post the picture on Hive and you'll get rewarded. And it's a great way to introduce them and keep them. And that's my time, boys and girls.
Jarvie:
You know what? Some of these stories of what these different projects are doing to bring in people and then hopefully retain them. are actually quite fun to listen to because it's the creativity that different creators and projects and business people bring with them when they come into the Hive ecosystem.
They'll all have their own little strategies like what WOO was saying. So what I'm more interested in is bringing in lots of businesses and lots of projects like this, the onboarding and the retention of projects now. I will say word to the different UIs and projects that come in that over the many years, what hasn't worked for retaining is like these money strategies, like these things that are like, we're going to make you rich.
Those things haven't worked. They've brought in people, but it's been other stuff. That has retained them. And then during bad bear markets, a lot of the people that STILL didn't have the why of staying left. Because they were like, Oh, there was some OTHER project that was gonna give me A hundred dollars a day, Hive was only going to do this, so they kept on running around searching for things, so that's my word to those projects that are coming in, but as you can see, with all the different projects that have been talking here, they all have their different little strategies, so the My hope is that we find ways to onboard and bring in different projects.
I believe Eric was talking about having more of these @town-halls, these sorts of town halls can be a method to bring in projects and retain them so they can have discussions so they can have these types of town halls, which I consider more of here's what I'm doing town halls, let me show off for a little bit, but I'd also love to see other town halls that are more about building discussing coordinating town halls. What are you doing? Okay, we're working on this. Let's discuss a feature set that we'd all benefit from, or at least quite a few of us would benefit from.
Discuss maybe a protocol that we'd all benefit and be happy about, and then who can help work on it. And let's get it done so that this exists. To rise us all up. So if we did that in a town hall fashion, even here on, on X, then it can be live, even though it's like projects working on a thing and discussing almost like a work meeting of sorts, that's still open to the public and to Hive users.
So the non Hive public sees it, look, this blockchain isn't all the other spaces that just talk talk. And never get anything substantial done, they're all theory, no action, and they're saying Hive is like, freaking doing stuff, they're building things, and these projects are benefiting from what exists on Hive, that's awesome, and then the Hive Users that come in and listen will love that Oh, stuff's getting done because so much of what all of us front ends are doing is behind the scenes, behind the curtains, they're not seeing it.