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Interesting message: Firstly, I don't read them; Secondly they are waste of resources since the god you promote doesn't exist in my mind; Thirdly, nobody is reading my posts anyway, so your comments are for my eyes only :)
Sure, I understand what you want, to win souls, but don't you think that the way you do your marketing is too aggressive? I really wonder what the book says about aggressive invasions of other peoples lives. Keep in mind, nobody knows if your God exists are not. Sure, you believe so. And maybe you even feel he (or she) is real. But feelings can be deceptive. And believing: Well we can also believe that the moon doesn't exist, our neighbours likes us very much, or whatever we want to believe. I choose to believe your book is a collection of stories that may have helped (and maybe still does) people to survive in life, but too me these are just stories, like a story book full of nice (and not so nice) stories that mostly are made up by creative writing minds. Nothing more than that.
Hahaha, yeah I understand where you're coming from and I know all of this. BUT, in my book, this all is coincidence. And what we don't know, eg if matter really exist? if we are connected on some higher level? if we formed matter by 'higher' connected energies? even if the big bang is true or not? All of this may be out of our reach to proof the right or wrong and it could be that there is a concept of god, ie something that we can't explain but some 'higher' forces are at play, in my opinion it is for sure no book of stories is providing the truth. Many book of stories are out in the field, and why would one of them contain the truth, while the others are not? Without any proof? Only circumstantial 'proof' based on thought of complexity of life? But how complex is life when eg it turns out all matter in our universe doesn't exists at all and we live in a gigantic hologram? That is something I like to believe, no matter is real, this is just a 'dream' we are in, an anomaly in the homogenous fabric of the universe. But I respect you, thinking otherwise :)
And who created the Someone?
When humans need to be created, then that Someone needs to be created as well by an even more intelligent Someone? In case you will say: that Someone was always there, then you basically have another problem in logical point of view: who created infinity!
I think the question how and why we are on earth experiencing what we experience is irrelevant. We shall enjoy as much as possible whatever way we can while we act with respect towards our surrounding and environment.
BTW, the frictionless is in science an assumption as far as I know. Big Bang theory: Still from science point of few we dont know if the universe will ever expand, or will implode at some point in time. Big Bang is a theory, it's not proven. Though it is the best explanation science can come up with today while many of the things we can see, feel, hear and smell can be explained and proven. Tomorrow the Big Bang theory can be replaced with something else, when we discover that something else. It is this approach towards finding the truth (whatever that may be) I so much like and embrase.
That said, I'm open for anything else, but with some boundaries. One such boundary is the believe the content of a book and live by it. I read and follow a different 'book'. If we figure out and can proof there is a God as you mentioned a Someone, this is not a single entity in my view. My God can only be the collective of minds of us all, and maybe more then the mind, when it would also include matter than we arrive close to the holographic universe hypothesis which I would so much like to be true for the mere fact that it'll be such a big joke when matter isn't real which makes all of what we see, and even ourselves not real hahahaha.... and I LOVE a good joke! :)
Well, you approach explaining the reality and truth of your believe not from a holistic view. Yes, the earth is at the correct distance from the sun for the whole eco system we have to exist, including plants, animals and humans. But this is not at all unique imho. The universe counts so many solar systems, that it is for me a fact - beyond a reasonable doubt - that life exists at other places in the universe. And not just at a few other places, but at many other places. I can even believe we had life in our own solar system at one stage, outside earth. On the scale of time, everything has a start and end point, even our universe. At some point in time, life on earth will also stop due to conditions not optimal anymore for life to exist. That said, if matter doesn't exist, We are a gigantic hologram, then the concept of time likely doesn't exist, hence no start and ending of this as well.
You didn't answer my question: Who create God?
In addition, am wondering how you picture God; Would this be a someone, resembling a person, although a super intelligent person, other than many or any of us humans?
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord
And you don't ask yourself the question what it made him to be the beginning and end? And what is before the beginning and what is after the end? Since beginning and end suggest a real beginning and a real end. When we believe time does exists, this essentially tells us there is time before the beginning and a time after the end.
I want to use the fact that there is no life on the universe other than earth, it is based on the bible and facts.
Stating that there is no life other then on Earth as a fact, is not funded at all, its not a fact. A fact is something we can proof. Written words are not facts.
Am wondering what you will say when we discover real life somewhere else. Ok, you will tell me we won't, because its a fact that life only exists on earth. But wasn't it a fact that the sun was rotating around the earth with the earth as the centerpoint at some point in time, until Copernicus and subsequently Galileo told otherwise? And wasn't Galileo put in jail/house arrest for almost his entire life by the church because he said (and proved) Earth is not the centerpoint? And wasn't the church that said later on in time, that the Earth may not be the centerpoint of our solar system, ie agreeing to what science was proving? Am quite looking forward to the discovery of lifeforms on other planets and like to discuss with you your point of view when that happened. Will be quite fun :)
BTW, I even think the church said at some point in time, the big bang could be real. But it is God that created the big bang and through that created the earth.
Regarding conditions of a planet to sustain life. You forget about the dimension time. It could very well be that on a planet close to our own Earth, life did exist in the past. At quite a few planets we found water, one of the basic ingredients for life to exists, in what we know at least.
EDIT: I'll link in the Drake equation and explanation thereof to give another perspective on the likelihood of lifeforms to exist somewhere else in the universe. I didn't analyse the figures in your preso slide, but I think that is just a set of numbers to make a point, but likely not what scientists will a proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
This is to inform you that you now have new MPATH tokens in your Hive-Engine wallet.
Please read this post for more information.
Thanks for being a member of both MAXUV and MPATH!Hi @edje, you have received a small bonus upvote from MAXUV.
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Interesting message: Firstly, I don't read them; Secondly they are waste of resources since the god you promote doesn't exist in my mind; Thirdly, nobody is reading my posts anyway, so your comments are for my eyes only :)
Sure, I understand what you want, to win souls, but don't you think that the way you do your marketing is too aggressive? I really wonder what the book says about aggressive invasions of other peoples lives. Keep in mind, nobody knows if your God exists are not. Sure, you believe so. And maybe you even feel he (or she) is real. But feelings can be deceptive. And believing: Well we can also believe that the moon doesn't exist, our neighbours likes us very much, or whatever we want to believe. I choose to believe your book is a collection of stories that may have helped (and maybe still does) people to survive in life, but too me these are just stories, like a story book full of nice (and not so nice) stories that mostly are made up by creative writing minds. Nothing more than that.
Hahaha, yeah I understand where you're coming from and I know all of this. BUT, in my book, this all is coincidence. And what we don't know, eg if matter really exist? if we are connected on some higher level? if we formed matter by 'higher' connected energies? even if the big bang is true or not? All of this may be out of our reach to proof the right or wrong and it could be that there is a concept of god, ie something that we can't explain but some 'higher' forces are at play, in my opinion it is for sure no book of stories is providing the truth. Many book of stories are out in the field, and why would one of them contain the truth, while the others are not? Without any proof? Only circumstantial 'proof' based on thought of complexity of life? But how complex is life when eg it turns out all matter in our universe doesn't exists at all and we live in a gigantic hologram? That is something I like to believe, no matter is real, this is just a 'dream' we are in, an anomaly in the homogenous fabric of the universe. But I respect you, thinking otherwise :)
And who created the Someone?
When humans need to be created, then that Someone needs to be created as well by an even more intelligent Someone? In case you will say: that Someone was always there, then you basically have another problem in logical point of view: who created infinity!
I think the question how and why we are on earth experiencing what we experience is irrelevant. We shall enjoy as much as possible whatever way we can while we act with respect towards our surrounding and environment.
BTW, the frictionless is in science an assumption as far as I know. Big Bang theory: Still from science point of few we dont know if the universe will ever expand, or will implode at some point in time. Big Bang is a theory, it's not proven. Though it is the best explanation science can come up with today while many of the things we can see, feel, hear and smell can be explained and proven. Tomorrow the Big Bang theory can be replaced with something else, when we discover that something else. It is this approach towards finding the truth (whatever that may be) I so much like and embrase.
That said, I'm open for anything else, but with some boundaries. One such boundary is the believe the content of a book and live by it. I read and follow a different 'book'. If we figure out and can proof there is a God as you mentioned a Someone, this is not a single entity in my view. My God can only be the collective of minds of us all, and maybe more then the mind, when it would also include matter than we arrive close to the holographic universe hypothesis which I would so much like to be true for the mere fact that it'll be such a big joke when matter isn't real which makes all of what we see, and even ourselves not real hahahaha.... and I LOVE a good joke! :)
Well, you approach explaining the reality and truth of your believe not from a holistic view. Yes, the earth is at the correct distance from the sun for the whole eco system we have to exist, including plants, animals and humans. But this is not at all unique imho. The universe counts so many solar systems, that it is for me a fact - beyond a reasonable doubt - that life exists at other places in the universe. And not just at a few other places, but at many other places. I can even believe we had life in our own solar system at one stage, outside earth. On the scale of time, everything has a start and end point, even our universe. At some point in time, life on earth will also stop due to conditions not optimal anymore for life to exist. That said, if matter doesn't exist, We are a gigantic hologram, then the concept of time likely doesn't exist, hence no start and ending of this as well.
You didn't answer my question: Who create God?
In addition, am wondering how you picture God; Would this be a someone, resembling a person, although a super intelligent person, other than many or any of us humans?
And you don't ask yourself the question what it made him to be the beginning and end? And what is before the beginning and what is after the end? Since beginning and end suggest a real beginning and a real end. When we believe time does exists, this essentially tells us there is time before the beginning and a time after the end.
Stating that there is no life other then on Earth as a fact, is not funded at all, its not a fact. A fact is something we can proof. Written words are not facts.
Am wondering what you will say when we discover real life somewhere else. Ok, you will tell me we won't, because its a fact that life only exists on earth. But wasn't it a fact that the sun was rotating around the earth with the earth as the centerpoint at some point in time, until Copernicus and subsequently Galileo told otherwise? And wasn't Galileo put in jail/house arrest for almost his entire life by the church because he said (and proved) Earth is not the centerpoint? And wasn't the church that said later on in time, that the Earth may not be the centerpoint of our solar system, ie agreeing to what science was proving? Am quite looking forward to the discovery of lifeforms on other planets and like to discuss with you your point of view when that happened. Will be quite fun :)
BTW, I even think the church said at some point in time, the big bang could be real. But it is God that created the big bang and through that created the earth.
Regarding conditions of a planet to sustain life. You forget about the dimension time. It could very well be that on a planet close to our own Earth, life did exist in the past. At quite a few planets we found water, one of the basic ingredients for life to exists, in what we know at least.
EDIT: I'll link in the Drake equation and explanation thereof to give another perspective on the likelihood of lifeforms to exist somewhere else in the universe. I didn't analyse the figures in your preso slide, but I think that is just a set of numbers to make a point, but likely not what scientists will a proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation