That last comment by @onealfa makes it abundantly clear to me why governance of this tribe CANNOT and SHOULD NOT proceed based on any sort of ‘Proof of Stake’ governance model. When you have a whale who is on record stating that he will effectively ‘punish’ content creators who vote in a way contrary to his wishes (and no way for them to vote via secret ballot), you have a system that is broken and cannot be relied upon.
To be honest, this isn't far from the truth for most everyone.
Some may not downvote, but they certainly won't upvote, thus punishing you indirectly.
Hive (and anything having to do with money, especially when it doesn't come out of your pocket) is filled with virtual signaling and power plays. I've even seen (and have had done to me many times) people try to sabotage all your curation curation rewards because you voted on someone they felt they "owned" punishing both the author and the other voter.
Just most don't come out and say it and prefer to keep the shadows and pretend they know nothing about it. Never have I seen so much greed, virtual signaling, pettiness, and deceit.
So that's why majority of the people here don't vote for my work. They're punishing me...
That explains everything and everyone!
Of course I'm only joking. Not receiving support from people who aren't into my shit only feels natural. Set up shop anywhere; most of the people walk past. It's to be expected.
That small town mentality backroom clique lunch table gossip shit is getting really stale though. The place needs thousands more genuine dedicated consumer types browsing and supporting organically. Without a crowd, after this long yet; presenting new stuff is losing its appeal.
So many Hive cliques. I sure hope you are in the right Hive clique.
Better off going your own way.
First time i am seeing your post on pob. Do you use the pob frontend (occasionally)?
I honestly don't think this would ever end. This is why i rather focus my energy on other things than governance (which is very important to the growth of the community).
I used the tag a couple times for shits and giggles but I just use PeakD out of convenience. Can't keep up with all these tribes and various tokens. I just want to read/view stuff and hit a button if it's cool. I don't post often these days. Maybe published twelve this year so far.
Understandable. I use the pob frontend given that I have a lot going on here. I cannot keep up with everything as well, so I prioritize.
Lol, that's me in two weeks.
Well. Let me put it this way. Was thinking of doing something fresh. I've already put nearly ten hours into one image/artwork for my next post, and I'm not finished yet. Plus the plan is create a new thumbnail/cover which I haven't started yet. And I have to write something which will take time, then that might lead to even more time spent producing images to go along with the words. Might even throw in a simple animation gif for good measure. Haven't decided yet but if it's humor, I'll have to spend hours fine tuning jokes or I'll bomb hard and just end up looking like an asshole for doing all that work. So maybe I'll take the horror route this time and get downvoted for being a freak. I dunno what sounds like more fun yet...
Yes, although @onelafa’s comments expose the flaws in PoS governance, I respect him a great deal for stating plainly and up front his intentions. That is so much better than those who punish in secret while pretending to be non-biased.
And, as you aptly pointed out, those biases are most likely the norm rather than the exception. Better to know up front where you stand with someone rather than play guessing games.
I wonder how the "DV-removers" imagine they will be able to fight against abusers, leeches, circle-jerkers, malicious players? With one MUTE button, and the MUTE keys in the hands of ONE SINGLE person?
Does anyone at all believe the tribe founder will ever share his account's keys with anyone else on this planet ? You do? Seriously?
You want this level of centralization???
With DV button in the hands of every participant (and any time, any day), we have at least some certain level of self-regulation. Do you want to remove this totally, and leave everything up to the mercy of ONE SINGLE person? A person who have enough reasons to be 100% anonymous?
What are his secret, long term plans?
Instead of abstract warnings "there may be a powerful abuser(whale) one day, which you possibly will have to stop somehow", I clearly said - this whale is HERE, already, TODAY, and he knows how to do BAD things. And there will be more, many more of such abusers. Just open the gates for them.
It is not "IF", its only "when" this happens.
There is no other, more important thing for the prosperity of POB tribe, than keeping the DV feature available to everyone & all the time.
To save this feature, I see there is no limit on the measures. Anything GOES
Even open threats.
Because many people only understand this type of language.
Haha, we both know what is going on here. Lets say: 100 guys with 1K POB stake in total wants to rule 1 guy with 50K stake and tell him which post he can vote 100% and which he can't . That's proof of communism. Let them do it and they will end with nothing.
To be clear, I'm talking about max-payout idea, it must be implemented after removing downvotes
max-payout idea is great ! I always thought about it.
There are many evil whales lurking.
Yes, greed and selfishness. This can probably mainly traced back to the bad marketing of Steemit. "Come and earn money,". This attracted mostly the selfish and greedy users. And the Hive blockchain is a hardfork of the Steem blockchain, and because of this most Hive users are is (or was previously) Steem users, so this cycle just continued.
By the way, I am also a Steem user. I registered on the Steem blockchain on 2017.05.17. A little bit more than 4 years ago.