"That has some kick!"
Is it a kick in the ass or a kick in the nuts?
Because the outcome between the two idiomatic expressions is quite different.
Words are funny things though, as they are given so much weighting, yet are largely dependent on so many other factors that lay outside the literal meaning of the words themselves. The same word said to one person is taken as support, to another as an insult. Another word that evokes thoughts of love, another feels pain - so why put so much weighting on words if they are such poor forms of communication - if looking at it from the perspective of consistency of outcome?
Perhaps most people don't care, but the problem we have created in the world today by putting so much emphasis on the words someone says, is that without being cross-referenced with intention, it is impossible to ascertain the vein in which it was spoken. As a result, all words become "open to interpretation" and because the internet has become a place of "point scoring" against the "enemy", the worst intentions are always assumed. Not only this, there is very little chance for the speaker to give immediate feedback on how people have taken it, before it is memified and becomes the held public narrative.
This is perfect for trolling, especially those who do not need to be consistent themselves, as they are pseudonymous and faceless, meaning they are able to go from topic to topic, cherry-picking what they comment on and the views they take, even if they are in direct conflict with what they have said earlier. Because they aren't building a consistent persona, they don't need worry about all of their inconsistencies - as there is no accountability. All they are after are the "likes" on some cheap shot on purposefully misconstrued words.
The centralized social spaces and forums of course love this behavior because it generates clicks, pretty much the only metric they care about, second only to their profit line. Because of this, they incentivize this kind of behavior using their algorithms to create as much polarization and drama as possible, by encouraging and leveraging troll-like and combative to build social tools to further generate clicks.
And while people think "we are the product" that is only half the story as we are also the mechanisms that makes the sale by participating in this process. Essentially, we are a closed system of wealth generation with the only thing getting leaked out from the system is, our wealth into the pockets of the platforms that enable us to fight each other for entertainment and, their profit.
Back "in the day" whenever the peasants got restless and started to complain about conditions, thy would hold some event, a gladiator or jousting tournament of some kind, to take people's minds off of the poor conditions of reality. What they have learned though is that instead of holding an expensive event, by recognizing that a person's strongest attachment is to themselves, they have set up constant battles between individuals themselves, organizing them into an endless array of teams to enter into the ring against opponents. When one team or the topic dies, they are able to use a shard of that to build and ramp up a narrative and polarization argument, to leverage again.
This is all done in the name of profit of course, but it is more than that, because what it is actually doing is a highly effective mass control mechanism that evokes the worst versions of ourselves, leading to worse outcomes and therefore - more discontentment. Rather than directing our discontentment at the controllers themselves however, we are incentivized by stars, hearts and thumbs to attack each other, further fragmenting and polarizing for more granular control and profit.
In my opinion, intention matters but while we might apply this occasionally when evaluating what someone says, I wonder if we ask ourselves, what is our own intention when it comes to using these platforms that disenfranchise us under the guise of empowerment. I hear the argument of using them because that is where everyone is but at the same time, if everyone was in a concentration camp, would people want to be there too?
I think that when it comes to our own lives, perhaps thinking what we intend the outcomes to be, might change the way we interact with others and of course, how we do so. Do you think that participating or consuming (passive participation) the constant socially-engineered narrative to evoke the worst in us is leading you to a better outcome? Are the words you are using meant to empower or demolish the potential for someone to be their best?
What is you intention with social media?
I believe that in general, the Hive ecosystem has incentives aligned to bring out a better result for people who have the intention to add value to themselves by adding value to their world. It is far from perfect of course, but considering this is a decentralized environment with volunteer participants who have very little guarantee, its alignment is far healthier than the billion dollar, trillion dollar generating platforms who's only intention is to increase the profit of the platform itself, no matter the cost to society.
However, we are moving into a new phase of human progress where we are no longer reliant on centralized control structures to organize ourselves at a global scale and for the first time, we can integrate an economy that facilitates us and rewards our intentions. I believe that the further we explore this path, the better *good intentions and subsequent good outcomes will be rewarded, but it will not be judged by any authority, it will depend on us.
One thing that people should remember is, all of these "social movements" are instigated and supported by interest groups and facilitated and incentivized by platforms that profit from them, using algorithms that maximize clicks and revenue. They are designed to create conflict, not improve society at all. Just because you feel empowered, it doesn't mean it is leading you to where you intend to go.
Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]
Couldn't agree more. I have facebook friends who will pick at my positions without ever establishing their own.
It seems 'Matt is wrong' is their only real position.
Looks like winning, but it's just sniping from the shadows.
For no reward except the boost to their misguided ego.
I think there is a rather poetic duality to both infrastructures centralized or decentralized if I am speaking honestly. I think Shakespeare made us feel such things through the quote " A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet." That is in the same lining as the words we all use like that's "sick" is now used in a positive direction whereas the word sick is normally negative.
To me I do believe that it is rather empowering that we as a society have shifted the mental framework of what once was a negative saying to something with a more positive nature.
I agree with you that it is pretty wrong for the centralized spaces to prey on such things for the sake of profits, but I feel that it may still be easier to find genuine connections through those spaces maybe not so much facebook, instagram, or twitter, but more in say discords where more intimate conversations and comradery can be built.
I am deeply intrigued since exploring the hive ecosystem, but I'm also noticing many fundamental flaws. There was an article I have considered publishing, but I am not trying to toss them into the fire so to speak. But people were fearful to upvote a post as it could lead to a backlash by an individual and I have all the screenshots to prove it, but do not choose to publish instead I chose to be empathetic to their thoughts and actually warned a lot of individuals to zero out their upvotes. This is the post.
https://ecency.com/neoxian/@infinitytcg/my-last-post-here-in-neoxian-or-using-this-tag-ever
What took me countless hours to build up was completely neutralized because I chose to unveil an abusive behavior (From 50 something rep to 0 and now I am grinding my way back as he chose to go on a multitude of my posts to downvote) and I don't even believe I did it in a negative way after that I even chose to take a step back. I believe that there are some fundamental changes that need to be considered in this platform for it to evolve, but until then I feel as if many people will just be conforming to a certain group views or thoughts which generate the results. Luckily for me I am okay or sort of in my personal life to where I don't rely on such metrics, but it is disheartening and personally why I am looking on layer 2 applications within hive to support and invest in vs hive itself because I do truly believe in the future applications of it and wish it's success.
I personally first started on this site not even a little over a month and a half ago and original intentions was to try to build a brand as I found this through splinterlands. It has now developed to be a way to challenge myself as reading and writing aren't typically my strengths, and to absorb different viewpoints. Do you truly believe that hive is a meritocracy? As if you focus on a lot of the major post there is normally a circle of individuals that upvote each other vs reaching out to find new content and people. Maybe something systematic in place where the 2nd or future votes have less weight may help this as it pushes people to explore the vast ecosystem to uplift one another. That is what I try to do at least. If not will hive might not formulate to be an oligarchy of sorts? I'm personally grateful for the experience if not I may have overleveraged myself into hive, but I definitely see where this application and many future ones can drive the future of our world to groundbreaking places.
I don't go digging for drama, but in my opinion, generally if you have issues with someone, sort it out with them rather than post about it online :D
I think this is what more people should be doing in this space, rather than trying to monetize everything. I believe that what is learned here will have far more real-world value than most people will actually get from their earnings on a post.
This depends how you look at it. for example, I probably get a fair few votes from the same people, but it is quite widely spread - however, I have also been posting daily here and interacting with the community for very close to 5 years already, so I have built up a following of people who trust me and my content enough to consistently support it. This is part of life too - we all have histories that should follow us to some degree, otherwise "work experience" is useless.
The more the space expands, the wider the support range gets and in time, all kinds of people will be doing all kinds of things - and the second layer apps will have a huge amount of value, underpinned by the first layer of the blockchain.
don't worry too much about up and down votes and instead, just do your thing.
I'm not sure how to do quotes so I can respond to particular statements.
Yeah it is hard to resolve against a wall as I was told to **** off as in my post suggested. That was quite abusive and because of 1 post he chose to downvote many of my comments/post neutralizing countless hours of work.
Yeah I agree, but the money does help to be honest as not everyone is financially secure. For me luckily the growth is far more valuable to me or else I would have just quit and I'm sure behavior like that would have made most people quit. People should be able to disagree with people and call out wrong doings without fear of backlash. When people are afraid to upvote a post due to backlash from an individual that is censorship at it's best. It even lead me to be fearful of them so I asked anyone that cared about my content to upvote to consider changing the percentage to 0 to be safe after hearing that comment from several individuals.
Yeah my main focus is now going to be on layer two now and what type of innovation and process the tokenomics present as I'm probably not going to be vested into hive tokens itself much unless some major fundamental changes occur, but a gradual hp increase will be fine.
Yeah I haven't hence why I have been choosing to comment a lot more vs making post. Because when I make a post it typically feels somewhat draining to me and whenever I get upvotes but no comments feels rather disheartening as I typically value comments far more than upvotes although I am appreciative of them.
Hive uses mark up - to quote you just need to put a > at the start of the sentence and then leave a space for the reply :)
"> like this" without the quotation marks.
Not that many really. Some rage quit, most come back. I have takenmany downvotes over the years for months on end at time from very large accounts. As said, best just to get on with life, keep doing what you do, the way you want to do it.
don't confuse censorship with income suppression. Hive allows people to say what they want and it is protected by the blockchain - it doesn't mean it comes with earnings though.
Layer two really is where the value will be in the future for content creators, with Splinterlands a good indicator of what is to come on the internet in general.
There is a lot of fun to be had here, just don't take the drama too personally, as people often do it for that exact reaction.
But it is censorship though well at least on neoxian's standpoint if it was removed from his layer 2
Also the negative votes makes it harder in terms of your content to be found from my understanding. Luckily for me I am somewhat of a marketer and had the post on several platforms
But still 1 persons downvote that is able to neutralize countless of hours of work by hundreds of other upvotes feels a bit silly.
Yeah I am quite enjoying this deep dive into various layer 2 and different coins/projects on hive.
Are there some projects you'd recommend/miners . I'd of course do my research on each of them just good to hear various people's thoughts.
The layer two interfaces are centralized, the content written to the blockchain is not.
Downvotes don't make it harder to be seen, upvoted make it easier. In general though, it doesn't have a huge effect unless being upvoted into the top of trending or communities.
This is a stakebased system and it is unapologetic of that. It has its pros and cons, but overall, creates a far healthier space for most creators.
I think leofinance is the place to check out for the best advice on layer two as well as other projects.
Thanks for your time and answers I won't take up anymore of your time it was greatly appreciated
I saw a video by Oprah winfrey today and she said one of the things that made her show boom was the question above.
Intention!! Intention!! Intention!!
You said a lot of things in this post but in my part of the world trolls don't go far in anything they do.
No they don't, but their opinions get leveraged in other forms of media to drive more wedges between populations. The main stream news is now made up of "reactions" from minority voices who are largely unknown and irrelevant, just to create drama.
I think centralized systems are just like a dictatorship and decentralized like democracy. We would definitely prefer democracy in crypto world as well like in our governments. So Hive has one of the cryptocurrencies having decentralized platforms and it has a great scope in my opinion. Thanks.
It is actually going to get quite interesting in the future, as DPOS applied to voting using experience as "stake" changes the way voting works in general.
We have seen it over and over again how whistle blowers tell of the real truth behind the curtains of the biggest social media and how greed and profiteering have long overshadowed the original intention of what it should be used for. Many people that use Facebook or Instagram or any other social centralized social media, forget a very important thing, they are essentially the product that is being sold. By draining your time and attention they increase their own value, while you are left empty with the question; “ Where did my evening go”?
And what did I get out of it? While consuming, it is easy to feel like there is some value, but once it is consumed, there is nothing usable to take forward.
"A tool for mass control"
That part is the most disturbing, and as that type of weapon, social media would be very effective... Sort of like a fictional story I wrote recently :( ... I hope we never become that stupid!
We are that stupid already - I hope we smarten up. :)
We better, before we see ourselves in an even worse trap!
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I think that's the difference between a centralized and a decentralized platform. There is no human progress on centralized platforms but a lot of time is wasted there. But decentralized platforms always work for human progress. Everyone involved is really great. Nice opinion
I think you are right. On the centralized platforms the people are only users, but here, there are many more roles for users.
What I like most is that there have been alternatives of those centralized platforms and we are no longer controlled by a minority/authority. Their reward system will eventually collapse, which is giving with spoon taking back with laddle.
If giving at all. I think that the biggest thing they offer is convenience these days.
Or Like a kick right to the teeth (2021.12.10).
But I try not to feel that way. It is just/only the price movements of the Splinterlands cards after all.
my collection has lost 20K in the last day! :D people are selling cards at the moment and there are many flooding the market - it is a long game - outside the actual game.
$20 000 USD loss? Damn. That is almost 7 years of my pension-like income in real life. I still have not sold any cards in the recent past. I am holding them. Hopefully this is the right decision in long term. Maybe I should even buy some, until the prices are low.
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Words have meaning so.that we have standards in which to communicate. What really irks me lately is the "powers that be" changing definitions of words to suit their narrative.
I agree with you, @tarazkp - the ecosystem in the world and in hive depends on us. Sincere interaction with people with whom we can share our thoughts and experiences, in the end it will provide a fair reward from the universe in various fields.