I prefer to manually curate, and I choose to give out nice rewards, even though I know that is frowned on.
I would like to see the evidence on the @jrcornel selfvoting and votetrading and votes on alts.
Oh, and then I'd just love to see the same on the dozens, if not scores, of people who are really doing it!
It doesn't take that much to document and sustain this kind of argument, and the fact that it hasn't been done is very telling, as well as is the fact that it can easily be done with others.
Don't worry about me though. I'll never stoop to such lows. I'm simply out of here. It's been real.
Not sure why this is something that would make you "get out", I wish more people would see this as him having attacked Hive and its proof of brain for years instead of the community attacking him back for 1 day after it's been revealed what he's been up to.
Prove it and give him his rightful say, and I'll stay.
Ait well that sounds pretty shortsighted in my view, there's plenty of reasons to be on Hive and continue posting, even if your rewards are being downvoted for one reason or another.
Yeah . . .
. . . if only this were an isolated incident and the opinions expressed and actions taken were anomalies.
And all the while everyone continues to defend downvoting, the instrument that makes all this possible!
What does that tell you about the community?
Just incredible.
Simply nuts.
It's just downvotes, calm down.
Keep telling yourself that.
I thought the proof @abh12345 posted was plenty, changing owner keys on both accounts around the same time, same bittrex memo's until they figured out how to use encrypted memo's, etc. I'm sure he's not the only one and there's many others, it's not difficult to conceal this activity, it's difficult to keep it up for a long time without making mistakes that bring it to light.
This from the body of this post:
And what he says here is exactly in line with what I know about him: https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@jrcornel/qpf6px
But nobody gives a shit about what he has to say.
This is all so fucked up! And it seems to be a majority attitude. Not a place where someone like myself wants to be.
Why is this fucked up? It's the community protecting the place, if they're wrong then it'll get fixed. I was under the impression he had come clean and admitted it was his secret alt.
You were under the impression . . .
And I continue to ask of the attackers that they provide evidence for their accusations. Now you understand why. Or is an "impression" enough to lynch someone?
You now see that he denies it all . . .
Fucked up? What would you call it? It looks like the KKK in full gear, just with 21st century clothes. If that's what you call the "community protecting the place", then you've done no more than give me more reason to get out, like at top speed!
You pretty much lost me with the KKK comparatives. Why not throw in some Nazi ones too?
I feel as though the constraints of this system (read in community governance, and public commons) don't fit into your strict world view. IF this place wasn't voluntary and these constraints were being imposed upon me involuntarily, I might feel similarly. But participation is voluntary, and you are subject to community governance. Losing community governance via STEEM is why we have a HIVE at all. You landed on the blockchain where the people who care about that came!
Nothing with regards to justification for what's being done?
Look that's a joke between you and me. I know I'm asking for the impossible because I know the proof you need doesn't exist. So let's leave it at that. I like you and we don't need to go loggerheads for other people's idiocy. BTW, that type of group mentality is appropriately compared to the KKK, or Nazis, or Stalinists, or whatever group you choose that indiscriminately attacks innocent victims, but, again, I digress.
And you're right about the voluntary nature of our participation. Anyone who chooses to subject themselves to this kind of treatment is free to do so, just as the people who form the mob are free to do that (well, free, free, I'm not so sure - history shows that sooner or later it always ends bad for the circle jerks).
Just as those who wish to avoid this kind of dysfunctional behavior can opt out.
Cheers. It was nice knowing you.
Your exaggerations are making me not want to try have a conversation about this anymore.
Oh how you wish they were exaggerations. Problem is you're smart enough to know they aren't.
No, you're exaggerating. It's just downvotes, comparing it to KKK and anything else is absurd. He's potentially farmed rewards for years under the guise of a secret alt, if there's any truth to it the downvotes are justified and he can survive a few days of downvotes, it's not the end of the world, especially not for someone with potentially hundreds of thousands of stake earned through excessive self-voting, vote-trading and comment voting. The fact you're defending him this hard and throwing a hissy fit about it is ridiculous. I was downvoted for months from korean stakeholders and other trolls and I'm not the one with a potential alt I abuse the rewardpool with nor did I stop posting instantly when the downvotes occurred and ask people to defend me as if my life depended on it. Get real.
On top of it all he's not that valued of a Hive author anyway, what he posts can be found daily in r/cryptocurrency or crypto twitter for free. Nor are his contributions to hive through curation that valuable either.
FWIW if it's just one bittrex transfer that shouldn't count as proof, I have many times had people send to my exchange deposits and I've sent to theirs so I imagine that's something common.
Please don't let the door slam behind ya @cryptographic
Tagging you, because you like to tag The Whole World!
No need to tag when it's a direct reply, you knucklehead.
Hope that doesn't trigger you too much. Had a couple of beers. It's Saturday, you know? It's called life beyond HIVE. lol
Time to chill. You're late to the game.
Guess you've still got time for brownie points though. ROTFLMAO
You guys are too much. Lose like good losers. I'm done with you.
A freethinking army of ONE! Enjoy your beer! Asshole!
Something I can say to you that isn't an insult but is totally true? With 100% accuracy? You're a loser and that's a simple fact.
And everbody knows it but you! 😂
Thank you!
First let me say I don’t give a damn about you being the least bit bothered by this tag. Anyone who complains about this tag is only showing the rest of the world the total disdain they have for HIVE. Yes you heard me right, for HIVE. Because if this is a bother, the heart and soul of your project, then you’d better start thinking about something else.
Look at the comment I’m responding to and tell me that this individual isn’t @ranchorelaxo, @bdvoter and @haejin all rolled up in one.
You people are pathetic.
You want to survive . . . haven’t you seen it enough times already? Get rid of downvoting now!
And take a deep breath if being tagged has bothered you so much.
Be thankful that I’ve addressed you in this semi-private way.
Do you have to spoon feed everyone all the time?
On top of it all, you’re a bunch of ingrates too?
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Personally, I feel downvotes have a place, though, some are abused. When it comes to things like plagiarism or hatespeech - they are necessity. Differences of opinion is another story, as is reward dispute. But, I hear Blurt and Whaleshares are doing great if you wanna check out what no flags looks like?
You can't compare apples to oranges. Eliminating downvotes has to be inextricably tied to forgetting about the scammers completely and focusing only on the positive.
Imagine what Twitter would look like if everyone was obsessed with who was getting the most Likes. Well, there are, but they don't get any attention. But once you start telling them you're going to give them downvotes, look out!
You want people to focus on the positive, on real quality content, only give them positive tools. And who cares what a couple of chumps want to to with vote trading! What's more, if they've invested their own hard earned money and that's what they want to do, what's the problem with letting them do that? In their own corner where nobody sees them or cares about them while the rest of the community grows in the positive? But noooooo. They're "raping the rewards pool".
How stupidly childish can you get?
Lol what a load of nonsense.
It's amazing that you can't see the irony of you posting stuff about Trump and yet support Twitter's (and mainstream media's) fatal flaw of allowing illusion of positive reinforcements only.
That's what created the echo chambers, the spread of misinformation, and the fringe views reframed as popular opinions.
Did you know vote trading/buying happened long before Steem was a thing? Combine that with the positive shenanigans, the internet sure has a very different world view than the one in your head canon.
Yeah, except you guys stick out like sore thumbs and occupy places you shouldn't be on people's social feeds. People like you are the reasons why we need to move all social rewards to layer 2, so if a token wants that kind of boring interactions, let them.
Instead of asking yourself what can we do to incentivize people to act for the greater good of the platform, you opted for brushing everything under the rug. Instead of recognizing that something is broken when people have to act extremely selfish in order to have returns, you think it's your right.
Why the hell should anyone create value for YOU to cash out? It's time for you to power down and leave.
Everything you just said reinforces all my criticisms that I have clearly spelt out. The marginalized "corner" was made for people like you who aren't capable of seeing past their own nose. Of course, everything is relative, and we could simply agree that the whole of HIVE is a "marginalized corner". Enjoy your delusions.
BTW, Twitter's downfall is due to rewarding destructive behavior - they're not called downvotes though, rather "fact checked censorship", made by equally ignorant, emotional and vigilante inspired zealots. (The difference is that they at least try to keep up appearances with fake "fact checks", here they don't even bother, in fact they are so brazen that they admit it and directly challenge you with, "what are you going to do about it". Insanity at its best.)
You should try thinking before you open your mouth. It yields extraordinary returns.
For anyone who wants to learn more, study my timeline - I don't repeat myself twice to the same person. Now I'm transferring that policy to the group. You'll need to make the effort, but I assure you, the answer to your question (regarding the subject at hand) is there. And, if you're not happy with what you find there, you always have the HIVE cave wall.
Ahahahaha!
More like you are salty that your biggest vote is powering down. Please don't project your own perceived "marginalization" and apply it to everyone else. The persecution may be in your head.
I doubt they will experience anything close to what you are describing. Not when they are owned by the same people that own the politicians. lol
You could have avoided all those "destructive behaviors" on Blurt. But hey, you know in your heart whatever you are spewing is false.
Try to cut the act, there's no moral superiority or "lesson" in your dribble. It's time for that self-elated arrogance to stop and get a reality check.
I will spell it out to you once again: there's no sympathy for benefactors of Ned's fuckery. You aren't entitled to cash out the value others created.
Get lost.