There are many anonymous people on Hive, myself included. If I were to selfvote and votetrade and vote on alts with all the VP in my disposal I'd fully expect the community to cancel me. Remember we share the same reward pool and especially people as big as him should look for new authors and smaller accounts to support to grow this place instead of thinking of himself all the time. The curation rewards should be enough at this point for accounts of that size instead of also maximizing author rewards in every way he can and doing the whole platform and it's future a disservice.
This is exactly why the free downvotes were introduced and they're working as intended and why Steem for the longest time was a literal circlejerk by most users and distribution sucked.
Also, I give out full upvotes because I don't have the time to spend trying to find more quality content.
Then join a curation trail.
I prefer to manually curate, and I choose to give out nice rewards, even though I know that is frowned on.
I would like to see the evidence on the @jrcornel selfvoting and votetrading and votes on alts.
Oh, and then I'd just love to see the same on the dozens, if not scores, of people who are really doing it!
It doesn't take that much to document and sustain this kind of argument, and the fact that it hasn't been done is very telling, as well as is the fact that it can easily be done with others.
Don't worry about me though. I'll never stoop to such lows. I'm simply out of here. It's been real.
Not sure why this is something that would make you "get out", I wish more people would see this as him having attacked Hive and its proof of brain for years instead of the community attacking him back for 1 day after it's been revealed what he's been up to.
Prove it and give him his rightful say, and I'll stay.
Ait well that sounds pretty shortsighted in my view, there's plenty of reasons to be on Hive and continue posting, even if your rewards are being downvoted for one reason or another.
Yeah . . .
. . . if only this were an isolated incident and the opinions expressed and actions taken were anomalies.
And all the while everyone continues to defend downvoting, the instrument that makes all this possible!
What does that tell you about the community?
Just incredible.
Simply nuts.
It's just downvotes, calm down.
Keep telling yourself that.
I thought the proof @abh12345 posted was plenty, changing owner keys on both accounts around the same time, same bittrex memo's until they figured out how to use encrypted memo's, etc. I'm sure he's not the only one and there's many others, it's not difficult to conceal this activity, it's difficult to keep it up for a long time without making mistakes that bring it to light.
This from the body of this post:
And what he says here is exactly in line with what I know about him: https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@jrcornel/qpf6px
But nobody gives a shit about what he has to say.
This is all so fucked up! And it seems to be a majority attitude. Not a place where someone like myself wants to be.
Why is this fucked up? It's the community protecting the place, if they're wrong then it'll get fixed. I was under the impression he had come clean and admitted it was his secret alt.
You were under the impression . . .
And I continue to ask of the attackers that they provide evidence for their accusations. Now you understand why. Or is an "impression" enough to lynch someone?
You now see that he denies it all . . .
Fucked up? What would you call it? It looks like the KKK in full gear, just with 21st century clothes. If that's what you call the "community protecting the place", then you've done no more than give me more reason to get out, like at top speed!
You pretty much lost me with the KKK comparatives. Why not throw in some Nazi ones too?
I feel as though the constraints of this system (read in community governance, and public commons) don't fit into your strict world view. IF this place wasn't voluntary and these constraints were being imposed upon me involuntarily, I might feel similarly. But participation is voluntary, and you are subject to community governance. Losing community governance via STEEM is why we have a HIVE at all. You landed on the blockchain where the people who care about that came!
Nothing with regards to justification for what's being done?
Look that's a joke between you and me. I know I'm asking for the impossible because I know the proof you need doesn't exist. So let's leave it at that. I like you and we don't need to go loggerheads for other people's idiocy. BTW, that type of group mentality is appropriately compared to the KKK, or Nazis, or Stalinists, or whatever group you choose that indiscriminately attacks innocent victims, but, again, I digress.
And you're right about the voluntary nature of our participation. Anyone who chooses to subject themselves to this kind of treatment is free to do so, just as the people who form the mob are free to do that (well, free, free, I'm not so sure - history shows that sooner or later it always ends bad for the circle jerks).
Just as those who wish to avoid this kind of dysfunctional behavior can opt out.
Cheers. It was nice knowing you.
Your exaggerations are making me not want to try have a conversation about this anymore.
Oh how you wish they were exaggerations. Problem is you're smart enough to know they aren't.
FWIW if it's just one bittrex transfer that shouldn't count as proof, I have many times had people send to my exchange deposits and I've sent to theirs so I imagine that's something common.
Please don't let the door slam behind ya @cryptographic
Tagging you, because you like to tag The Whole World!
No need to tag when it's a direct reply, you knucklehead.
Hope that doesn't trigger you too much. Had a couple of beers. It's Saturday, you know? It's called life beyond HIVE. lol
Time to chill. You're late to the game.
Guess you've still got time for brownie points though. ROTFLMAO
You guys are too much. Lose like good losers. I'm done with you.
A freethinking army of ONE! Enjoy your beer! Asshole!
Something I can say to you that isn't an insult but is totally true? With 100% accuracy? You're a loser and that's a simple fact.
And everbody knows it but you! 😂
Thank you!
First let me say I don’t give a damn about you being the least bit bothered by this tag. Anyone who complains about this tag is only showing the rest of the world the total disdain they have for HIVE. Yes you heard me right, for HIVE. Because if this is a bother, the heart and soul of your project, then you’d better start thinking about something else.
Look at the comment I’m responding to and tell me that this individual isn’t @ranchorelaxo, @bdvoter and @haejin all rolled up in one.
You people are pathetic.
You want to survive . . . haven’t you seen it enough times already? Get rid of downvoting now!
And take a deep breath if being tagged has bothered you so much.
Be thankful that I’ve addressed you in this semi-private way.
Do you have to spoon feed everyone all the time?
On top of it all, you’re a bunch of ingrates too?
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Personally, I feel downvotes have a place, though, some are abused. When it comes to things like plagiarism or hatespeech - they are necessity. Differences of opinion is another story, as is reward dispute. But, I hear Blurt and Whaleshares are doing great if you wanna check out what no flags looks like?
You can't compare apples to oranges. Eliminating downvotes has to be inextricably tied to forgetting about the scammers completely and focusing only on the positive.
Imagine what Twitter would look like if everyone was obsessed with who was getting the most Likes. Well, there are, but they don't get any attention. But once you start telling them you're going to give them downvotes, look out!
You want people to focus on the positive, on real quality content, only give them positive tools. And who cares what a couple of chumps want to to with vote trading! What's more, if they've invested their own hard earned money and that's what they want to do, what's the problem with letting them do that? In their own corner where nobody sees them or cares about them while the rest of the community grows in the positive? But noooooo. They're "raping the rewards pool".
How stupidly childish can you get?
Lol what a load of nonsense.
It's amazing that you can't see the irony of you posting stuff about Trump and yet support Twitter's (and mainstream media's) fatal flaw of allowing illusion of positive reinforcements only.
That's what created the echo chambers, the spread of misinformation, and the fringe views reframed as popular opinions.
Did you know vote trading/buying happened long before Steem was a thing? Combine that with the positive shenanigans, the internet sure has a very different world view than the one in your head canon.
Yeah, except you guys stick out like sore thumbs and occupy places you shouldn't be on people's social feeds. People like you are the reasons why we need to move all social rewards to layer 2, so if a token wants that kind of boring interactions, let them.
Instead of asking yourself what can we do to incentivize people to act for the greater good of the platform, you opted for brushing everything under the rug. Instead of recognizing that something is broken when people have to act extremely selfish in order to have returns, you think it's your right.
Why the hell should anyone create value for YOU to cash out? It's time for you to power down and leave.
Everything you just said reinforces all my criticisms that I have clearly spelt out. The marginalized "corner" was made for people like you who aren't capable of seeing past their own nose. Of course, everything is relative, and we could simply agree that the whole of HIVE is a "marginalized corner". Enjoy your delusions.
BTW, Twitter's downfall is due to rewarding destructive behavior - they're not called downvotes though, rather "fact checked censorship", made by equally ignorant, emotional and vigilante inspired zealots. (The difference is that they at least try to keep up appearances with fake "fact checks", here they don't even bother, in fact they are so brazen that they admit it and directly challenge you with, "what are you going to do about it". Insanity at its best.)
You should try thinking before you open your mouth. It yields extraordinary returns.
For anyone who wants to learn more, study my timeline - I don't repeat myself twice to the same person. Now I'm transferring that policy to the group. You'll need to make the effort, but I assure you, the answer to your question (regarding the subject at hand) is there. And, if you're not happy with what you find there, you always have the HIVE cave wall.
Several things here, first of all your stake is delegated to you. You don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in any of this stuff, so it's not quite the same. Also, you ARE actually selling HIVE!
Moving past all of that, if there is a set of established rules and expectations for everyone I would be happy to abide by them. As far as I can see, many people have alts, many people have steem, many people are cross posting on steem, many people tend to vote their friends on here, many people have alts that aren't publicly disclosed, several people are posting as much or more than I am (included with an alt) that are earning significantly more than I am/was.... if we want to impose some general rules, so be it and I would be happy to abide by them but thus far that hasn't really been the case.
So just because I don't have money invested (to your knowledge) I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on how people should and shouldn't abuse the reward pool?
Yes, and buying too. I didn't comment on what you're doing with your Hive, my schtick was with your secret alt you were self-voting and getting a lot of rewards on on a daily basis along with your main. I'm not the one that's been secretly building an alt to get more out of the rewardspool. last time I had an interaction with you was due to excessive votetrading after the EIP when we were trying to break that off, you along with some korean stakeholders and sweeetssj.
I think it should be pretty obvious by now that the one freedom hive gives people, which voice.com didn't, is a pretty big no-no to abuse to have a secret alt you can earn more daily post rewards from compared to everyone else.
Feel free to name other people's undisclosed alts if that's who you compare your actions to justify yours to.
I'm not justifying anything, I'm simply pointing out that not everyone seems to have the same rules. Some can post from alts, some can't. Some can cross-post, some can't. Some can vote for their friends, some can't Etc Etc Etc. And I gladly said that I would stop posting from an alt account if that was the issue here.
It's not the same when you say you'll "gladly" do this and that after you get found out and have to admit to an alt. The trust is gone. Of course if you're a bigger stakeholder and raking in more rewards than 99% of the rest you have more eyes on you and more to lose and obviously the downvoters are reacting more strongly to it cause of that.
secret alt account to possibly do the same and self-voting those posts too.I have nothing to gain from voicing my opinion in this thread and only possible witness votes to lose which I'm seeing go already. It's disappointing if one stakeholder has been using more than one account to get more rewards than other users. You can maybe understand it coming from a curator who's focused on a healthy distribution that it's not helping if you're earning this much more than others who may put in the same amount of time and also investment into their accounts. FWIW I don't even post often because of massive autovotes, look at my recent post and often if it's not directly to leofinance I use @reward.app to send author rewards back to curators on posts that don't have a lot of effort on for a fair reward distribution in my eyes. How do you think that makes me and others feel knowing you're not only welcoming the autovotes (who often are constantly from the same people you also autovote) and as a big stakeholder also self-voting, but also raising another
What do you have to say to the people who were supporting both accounts who had no idea it was you and voiced their opinion on it and that they are disappointed. Go reply to them.
And lastly, what was stopping you from doing 2 posts per day on your main account instead of 50% here and 50% there if it wasn't to allocate more selfvotes to yourself without looking like they are selfvotes.
Come on, man. At what point will you feel like you're making enough rewards, aren't you a big shot trader as @edicted mentioned in the post? Do you really need to stoop down to these levels just for that increased APY on Hive and the other chains?
Something else I can also say with 100% certainty is that you are pathetic. It's certified.
You need to give up Twitter too. You give the impression that HIVE is for idiots.
lol
If you have evidence of abuse, please post it here: https://discord.gg/yfd95Sy.
I hope to see this resolved amicably.
A 'go forth, and sin no more' kind of thing.