Elon Musk must give the righties cognitive dissonance. He allows extremists on his platform, but also sells the dreaded EVs. If you base your self esteem on what powers your car then you have other issues anyway.
Elon Musk must give the righties cognitive dissonance. He allows extremists on his platform, but also sells the dreaded EVs. If you base your self esteem on what powers your car then you have other issues anyway.
It isn't about the existence of electric cars and isn't about self esteem. It's about government intervention in the market, having electric vehicles forced upon people and the potential costs of that, both direct and indirect.
Well we can't carry on like we are. Oil burners will be around for a while yet, but I'll get an EV soon plus solar panels to supply some of the power.
Industry will need to adapt as it did when cars decimated the horse trades.
EV's still carry a price premium some can't afford and to be honest, it isn't clear that current EV tech is significantly better for the environment.
EVs incur a higher carbon cost to produce and current battery tech is horrible for the environment in other ways.
And oil burners spew buttercups and bunnies from the tailpipes? Less cars is a better option, but many need their own transport. EVs and batteries have plenty of room to improve. Battery capacity has gone way up in last 20 years.
I've never seen buttercups or bunnies come out but maybe I'm not taking the right kind of drugs.
I didn't say gas powered cars had no environmental impact, just that it wasn't clear that EVs were a significant net improvement. In a modern car, it is MOSTLY nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide and water vapor that comes out the tailpipe.
These stats show EVs being better on total carbon pretty quickly depending on the energy source https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/
If you throw in fictional energy mixes it can look quite good. In the real world currently, It's 80,000 to 90,000 miles to break even and that's just carbon costs.
What is fictional there? It includes the US mix that is not 100% coal. UK is hitting 50% wind at times. Batteries can have further life in solar storage. It's all evolving, but nothing is perfect.
The 'fiction' in the article you linked were the outstanding numbers if energy production was 100% hydroelectric. Yes, the numbers may be outstanding but 100% hydroelectric isn't realistic.
And who said anything about perfect? I'm simply comparing EV's NOW to gas powered vehicles NOW.
This doesn't address the impact of batteries (disposal, recycling costs, lithium mining, etc.)
#rant
and who decides what is Extremist? #NoCensorship
Right!? There are so many issues with his rant, I won't bother detailing them. #triggered
Sorry, did I trigger you? I find it hilarious what some people will do to try and wind up others.
I'm not wound up,just disappointed in you and you're obviously triggered,or such ridiculous statements wouldn't have been made.Of course,I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, because there are other reasons make such ignorant statements.
Depends on your definition of triggered. I think that reacting to the craziness of the world is a natural thing. You throw out some remarks intended to an
We agree that the world is crazy for sure, but why add to it if you're criticizing it? Seems a bit hypocritical.No, not seems, is...
My comment got truncated. Shouldn't anyone be able to throw out opinions? Isn't that free speech? I fail to see the hypocrisy in what I said. I actually hold back on my opinions. I'm not really looking for fights.
I only asked a question. Who decides?
Extremist is a loaded word and perhaps not the ideal choice for my thread, but there are some nasty people online. I could agree that Greta Thunberg is an extremist, but I agree with her principles.
The most interesting part is naming others as extremists in a negative light, while showing clear signs of extremism yourself. It's quite typical really.
I see what u mean. No disrespect to steevc but it does come on very MSM pro narrative. That’s why I followed up asking about his thoughts on judge and jury who decide. It seems though he is coming from an emotional standpoint of being pro censorship. Always sad seeing that here on Hive. But Steevc is entitled to his opinion as we are to ours. It’s just odd to me personally 🤷♂️
Again, I agree on all points.
Steevc is an active and respected account here. I don’t even remember what but I think we had a strong disagreement on something years ago. It is what it is. I think we just have totally different opinion and will never agree on this topic. But he isn’t trolling us. He’s just of different opinion.
I agree and I think he tried to project being triggered onto me, because I tagged my first reply #triggered
I get his point. By leaving out who’s judge and jury I also find if troublesome.
Musk said he's a free speech absolutist, but I guarantee he will have to block some accounts or face legal action. If he sacked the moderation teams then he has some challenges.
Yes if an account breaks the law oit obviously will be blocked.
Before Elon took over I was banned for questioning the vaccine in 2021. Big difference in breaking law and critiquing big Pharma…. I was brought back post Elon. I don’t use twitter but I was unsuspended shortly after he returned.
That's up to the company and local laws. He allowed back some who were banned before.
Censorship is anti everything freedom stands for. All censorship does is make “Extreamism” worse by pushing it into the shadows. Not to mention the CIA runs troll farms and is purposely trying to encourage violence. I would agree with you on violent content but I think we can all agree what the MSM calls extreamist is often just opinions they end up being true that they don’t like. Example in 2021 being anti vaccine mandates was called extremist, it certainly was not. Maybe you mean literally calls to violence? But when u simply say “Extremist Content” it sounds like what the mainstream media means by it which is often being critical of government narratives like vaccine mandates or the real reasons our government is pushing for extending a war in Europe, or for asking why our own government made it harder to get medications that were effective at treating covid. Theee ideas I certainly would say are important and true. Not extremist. I think the reason you may take certain replies as “Triggered” or passionate is because you are using the same terms the media and gov use to censor honest true statements they don’t like. I know in my case I just honestly wanted to know what u meant and who you thought should be judge and jury. Not at all upset or triggered myself. Just know these terms can be used very differently by individuals and I washers to know what you meant.
Censorship/freedom is not a simple line in the dirt. Do you allow death/rape threats, child porn etc? Hive breaks the mould and will have issues with it.
It's hard to be nuanced in a few lines.
I absolutely have issues.
Don't we all?