What is a good post on Hive?
I have thought about this a lot over the years and while a lot of people seem to think it is hard to answer, it actually is very simple. The talk normally centers around "the value" of a post, citing a whole range of potential metrics, from the quality of information given, or the formatting of the post, or one that has some credibility, the engagement a post gets. There are also other possible metrics like hit rates or relatedness, where content that will only be consumed in a narrow timeframe, will not have value down the line, whilst evergreen content might.
So, what is it?
Engagement is a good place to start, but engagement enough isn't enough - or at least, number of comments isn't enough, since some posts have many comments with bot calls and trash three words, trying to make it look like there is actual engagement. In my opinion, quality of engagement matters more than the quality of the post, but there is generally a correlation between quality of post and quality of engagement.
Quality engagement is a symptom of a good post.
And in general, that engagement is not going to be built within the vacuum of a single post, as to get consistent engagement, it takes a string of posts that are of the type that will attract attention, a followership and of a topic and type that will also encourage comments and discussion. And this is why engagement has some credibility, because it hints at what actually makes a good post -
Good posts build the Hive community
Simple.
This doesn't mean they have to be about Hive itself, but they have to be the type that gets people engaging on Hive and being part of the community themselves. And in general, this requires more than a single post to accomplish, which means that a good post is part of a chain of good posts. In some way, good posts or an account that is consistently producing Hive-building activity, is analogous to the chain itself. There is an integrity in it that is verifiable and if that integrity is lost, it is very hard to build up again.
Building community as the core value of a post (or account) seems far too simplified, but it is very much like saying that driving a car is simple - it is, but in order to do it, it requires a cluster of skills that are developed to a stage where they are automatic, consistently applied and able to navigate a wide range of conditions. Some can't drive at all, some are terrible drivers, most are okay and a few are exceptional.
Yet, that is not the whole story either, because the "driver community" is enabled by the car industry, as well as the road network, the common rule frameworks, the sign makers, mechanic availability, tire manufacturers.... The driver community is not a community of drivers, it is a community of a whole range of skills that a single person cannot hold or apply in order to make it happen. Without the broader community, there is no driver community. But, without drivers, there can still be a need for transport of non-drivers. Some narrow communities are critical, some aren't.
But, this is unnecessary complication on Hive at this point, because the narrow communities are formed around the needs and wants of the consuming community, which decides what gets supported and what doesn't. And, this is where there is a misunderstanding on Hive, where people who "want support" generally consider it getting upvotes on their posts. However, upvote support is a narrow form of support only and probably poorly used on Hive.
Why is it poorly used?
Again, if we assume that my position that "community building" is the most valuable thing to do on Hive, in regards to rewarding posts, it should go to accounts that are building community. This doesn't necessarily mean building "a" community, it means generating the type of interaction, engagement and transactions that get people connected to the Hive ecosystem and using it daily. If the interaction is only built around getting rewarded, when those rewards are lessened or stop, the narrow community will fall apart.
And then based on the assumption that a good post builds the Hive community, it also means we have to consider what is a valuable community itself, otherwise we don't know what is building it. Is a valuable community measured by the size of the community? Probably not, because size doesn't matter on Hive - at least when it comes to the number of people. This is different for the likes of Facebook however, because their model relies on selling the data of users to sell for ad revenue. Hive doesn't need do that, but it does need money flowing in, at least on occasion, because that is what gives the HIVE token a value above zero. A large community doesn't automatically mean a high token value.
So, community building on vote values is never going to have longevity, because it is unsustainable, especially at the current prices of HIVE. Even if Hive was 10X from here, it still wouldn't be able to support millions of people financially, so there has to be more than financial reward. But, real communities aren't built around financial reward, are they? So what are they built upon?
Relationships
Communities are a network of relationships, and a healthy community is one where those connections work together to build the community in various ways, whether it be the road network, the signage, the cars or a driving instructor. Or, the community might move away from cars completely and then they would work together to shift the direction of production toward some other endeavor.
These shifts in culture are built through behaviors and conversation, with the first often influenced by the second, which again speaks to how engagement on posts is valuable for building a community. Discussion helps us learn, voice opinion and concerns, access new information and build our understanding in ways that will hopefully, improve our behaviors and outcomes, making us more valuable for the community too, as we add our insight and skill into the mix to create more connections and strengthen the network.
We often talk about community through the perspective of topic groups, but this is actually not the case on Hive, because in order to have the second-layer topic communities, there is a whole lot of enablement made through the first layer, including the token distribution. The first layer is vital to the community, but at the same time, without a community, the first layer doesn't have much of a usecase.
It is an ecosystem with a symbiotic relationship between the layers, which then speaks to what brings value to the blockchain as a whole. First layer development that supports the second layer, second layer development that supports the first layer. If the content is supporting the growth of the ecosystem in valuable ways, it is likely not bring value to the blockchain. It doesn't matter how nicely decorated a restaurant is, without food, it has no purpose. Similarly, if the food sucks, people are unlikely to come back.
It would be interesting to see for example, a view of the blockchain from account perspectives looking at not only how many comments they have received or made, but also the quality of the comments made. It would also be interesting to see the distribution of those comments as well a which content creators get the highest quality of comments. I suspect that the majority of quality comments are likely going to a minority of accounts, even if the comment number might be lower.
The lie of value
When it comes to the value of content, people will often say that it is subjective, and this might be true at the individual level. But at the community level, it isn't really subjective, is it? If there is a nurse saving lives, or a pyromaniac burning down hospitals, you would likely say that one is a general good for the community, the other a general bad, right?
It is pretty simple.
Activities that increase the wellbeing of the community are seen as good, while those that decrease it are bad. The ones that are in the middle, don't add value. On average, a healthy community is one that has the majority of people acting in good ways, right? On Hive, it actually isn't about the majority of people, it is about the majority of stake. The more stake that is used to add value to the community, the better. The more stake that is used to extract value from the community, the worse.
It isn't hard.
What might be hard is discerning what is value-adding activity and what is not, but in general, it is pretty easy to see through the various behaviors surrounding accounts. When an account is adding content that is building relationships, engagement and influencing people to take ownership of their Hive experience by becoming a value-adding part of the community, they are likely adding value. Those that are not doing any of this, are likely costing the community.
Is that controversial?
It shouldn't be.
But many people think that content value is all subjective, even though they haven't likely thought much about it at all. There is a big difference looking at the value of content through the lens of an individual with specific preferences, and that of a community with a diverse array. Looking at one post is okay from the individual perspective, but in the bigger picture, it doesn't tell much about the value added to the community as a whole prior, now or in the future.
If you think about your real world communities - what behaviors are you willing to pay for, which ones do you want to encourage and, what percentage of the community would you actually support?
How subjective is it?
Taraz
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I always drone the mantra Content + Networking + Time = Success on hive. It is a 3-legged platform that falls over when either of those legs is shorter.
I am reading a focus on the networking side of my equation in your post. Definitely as important as the others and not so difficult. In the beginning, I found people to follow on the trending page and engaged each with as thoughtful and valuable a reply as possible. I kept doing it when those authors valued the engagement with an acknowledgement of that value and followed the ones who engaged back. I try and upvote and reply to every meaningful reply on every one of my posts. I am not sure anyone even notices that or values it but it is just the right thing to do for the community.
As far as content goes, I make it hard on myself because I am a copy writer for a marketing company and am a stickler for a clear message. Though it might not reflect in the posts themselves, I agonize a little too much over the content and style while forcing myself to keep it social and informal.
I don’t share enough posts as I try and keep my blog rather clean and am selective on what I make appear on others feeds because they follow me. You get those people who reblog 10 posts and it fills up your feed with extra noise among the gold?
Anyhow, I would say a valuable post is one that inspires or entertains to build community in some way. Not necessarily the hive community all the time but I mix those in too. If people can practice their writing and communication, learn some things and get some global perspective along the way, the monetary rewards seem to fade into the other intrinsic benefits as you do more networking.
Hive definitely was a Pandora’s box for me and quality posts are definitely part of it.
This is part of it for sure, but it is also understanding as to what is required to hold Hive up. Adding value can come through coding too for example, but that doesn't necessarily get rewarded socially.
Exactly. It shows something in how the account engages back. Too many now are dumping posts for large rewards, but aren't actually engaging with their audience well. There are several examples in trending where it can be seen. It is taking the audience for granted and, doesn't add nearly as much value as the community.
Sorry. :D
This annoys me and I end up skipping past their shares. quality over quantity is the need here.
When I say Hive, it is all on the Hive chain, like splinterlands, Dcity or leo - it doesn't have to be hive content, but that is all Hive community.
Exactly!
On a side point, I find it funny how some people/curation engines/Hive content police deem something good or bad, and leave it that way forever. An example that comes to mind is @actifit. It is another neat front end which encourages physical activity and is as inclusive as it gets. Because the posts were sometimes lacking in content (Some would just post results with little or no content, images, engagement value) it is seen as a lesser post when it might be amazing. Or someone missing a source link by accident, then getting downvoted eternally from that point on.
That is a bit of a tangent but I think content value is a sliding scale we need to be constantly checking ourselves and others on as we build the community.
Until recently, I skipped over actfit posts, because so many of them are lame. As a freewriter, I know many of those are just as lame, but a select few really entertain me and I make sure to visit and support those stories. So now I know that Actfit posts can be fabulous too, it depends on who is producing it. If they produce other great posts, they don't skimp on their actfits.
And this is the thing! They are creators - they can be creative across topics.
"Topic agnostic" :D
We incubated actifit recently, could be that authors have noticed that if they put a little bit more effort into those posts they could get some extra rewards for it, along with socializing more, etc.
Incentivize good behavior and it generally works better than disincentivizing bad. Always worth doing both :)
Completely agree!
I know I retitle the default, add a dozen pics, tell a story for each and share a real post and they are max 1/3 of every other post as far as rewards go. ;)
So happy to have you back with us! You're always a good read.
Some people would put effort into their actifit, but when it all looks the same, it gets treated the same. It is similar for the people who post their Splinterlands end of season report, straight out of the form.
With sourcing and that, I also find that it gets taken to the extreme a bit much, but at the same time, I also reckon people here should think more about what they post, as plagiarism and image theft is major. I say safe by only using my own content :)
Good post, bro.
In my opinion getting engagement on the posts is harder than getting upvotes. Some of my splinterlands battle posts get rewards of about 20 dollars. But they only get comments from bdvoter.cur and splinterlands curators.
Splinterlands is tough imo, because people engage with it, sure, but the stuff to engage is too niche for the average reader, sometimes even an average connection.
Lately, I’ve found a groove by commenting on films, which again, some people may not have seen, but in the case some do, they can chime in with their perspectives, opinions.
I’m reflecting now that when I used to only share pictures (I take pictures regularly), the images alone had no weight because I hardly gave them context. It’d be like if you browsed Google for stock imagery, they bear no connection to you.
In that respect, authors have an opportunity to tie the significance of their “imagery” to their words.
I like that view much more and create according to the story I can weave overall, not just to one detail like my pictures.
Yep, but it depends on follower. For example, some of the people who read my splinterlands stuff, don't read my other content at all :D
Precisely. It isn't like you don't put effort into your photography, but it doesn't make an impact on the community without context, without you giving it a personality.
In the past I did some splinterlands artwork. If I remember right they got more comments than battle posts.
I also did some posts about tv shows and anime. They also received more comments.
In the past sometimes I only posted pictures of my dog.
Absolutely!! People don't seem to recognize this.
Yes. So, to add value to the community of humans, it needs to be read by humans, engaged with by them. This is a sign that the Splinterlands community in terms of relationships need work, but many of the community are only interested in building their ROI, not the community.
I have seen a lot of accounts that posts the actifit status or even their food image post and get like 30 USD worth of upvote. And that kind of gives me impression that it's hard to argue on quality. People here like long posts and may not even reach a dollar. It is kind of rigged game sometimes and vote wars, downvote wars kind of kill the community.
This also bothered me in the beginning. But now I understand that it's auto-voting and stuff like that. It will either go away soon, or it will stop bothering you when you gather your friends around you. Which you will find here!
It happens. At the same time, while people don't seem to remember it now, I have been posting consistently like this, even when getting a dollar or two :D
It is rigged in the sense that people do build relationships and trust with the community also. It isn't seen in a single post. But, I would feel pretty bad posting actifit or something for 30 dollars.
To be honest, I am adding value by reading posts with more than 1500 words 👀 :)
I do believe that adding value to the community is all subjective and included a longer time frame than a single post. I do not get similar upvotes, engagements and interactions on my posts. Few posts get high upvotes with little effort while some other get high upvotes even working on it significantly. Earning on a post is one side of the coin.
I do not have the answer as I do not look at all posts from a timeframe perspective other than a few accounts I follow. But I agree that it is about the Hive reputation an account builds in the community by posting "good" content for a longer time frame that furthers the cause of the community- whatever goal the community set upfront.
It isn't all subjective. For example, the work that goes into a hardfork is immense and very, very practical. Does it value, yes - but it is hard to enumerate what. Not everything can be put in numbers, but much of what would be seen as adding value is pretty clear.
And this is part of the issue on Hive, because the history matters. On other platforms it doesn't, because the algorithms decide. Hive is about people, the other platforms are about profit.
There are more words in the comments to my posts than in the posts themselves. This is definitely a sign of a good post :)
Mine too normally - and that is saying something! :D
What is a good post on Hive?
Tarazkp's posts.
Simple as pie! :)
:D :D
I always get a little nutty when I have a post that has dozens of comments but hardly any votes and then another post that has a bunch of votes but no comments. It's always a bit hit and miss. Ultimately, I think different people have different ideas of what has value to them. It if has no value to you it's easier to just skip than to downvote. That's just me though.
It might also depend on the day too. We all change our opinions based on circumstances and of course, time availability.
yeah, we likely do.
@ak08 read this ^^
Thanks for linking me up @cwow2 !
Hi @tarazkp thanks for sharing this piece! It is really insightful and will prove to be a great help for me as I have just started out on this blogging journey exactly a week ago! Hoping to learn and grow more within the community! 😁
This statement "Activities that increase the wellbeing of the community are seen as good, while those that decrease it are bad. The ones that are in the middle, don't add value." was definitely impactful and would be stuck with me whenever I create any further content down the road. Thank you! 😊
Welcome!
Good luck out there and remember to have fun. Taking something seriously can be fun too :)
Yeah I definitely will! Just trying to learn as much as I could along the way! Even though I joined the Hive community 6months ago, I have just decided to give serious go at blogging, so hoping that it will be an enriching journey 😄
Cheers mate :)
You are welcome buddy :D
A quality content post is much better than a lot of post without quality content. Because A quality content post create engagement between Author and Readers. For example your posts always have quality contents, so we wait the post of @tarazkp for learning something new and we also know him and his continues post keep a good connection between us and him. So, I think posting quality contents and continuity in posting is the key of success on Hive. Quality contents produce follower who wait for your post and Read, Vote and comment on your post.
Like an episode of a series on TV - waiting for the next installment.
Absolutely Right. 👍
Another post that is going to be bookmarked to be sent when needed!
Thank you for this question! Some realizations have come up.
I will pay for kindness and helping people who need and want it.
But I have remembered this question and will ponder it some more for a while....
Cool :)
As well as skills. Pay a mechanic, or a builder to do a job well.
100%
!invest_vote
@stdd denkt du hast ein Vote durch @investinthefutur verdient!@stdd thinks you have earned a vote of @investinthefutur !
I think this is certainly true. As engagement on its own isn't always synonym for a quality post. Look at all the bot comments or giveaway posts with hundreds of comments.
But on the other hand, when I look at myself, the chanche that I respond to an article is bigger if it's a qualitative article (atleast in my subjective opinion). As my upvote is rather small, I'm quite new and still trying to improve my hive engagement, I'll 'reward' the athor with a comment.
A few months ago, I saw a challenge of making 500 meaningfull replies. Don't know anymore whos challenge it was, but it's a good start for someone (new) to up his engagement, in line with your article.
It was a pleasure to read your article!
Yes. Nonsense. You will notice that on my posts, there aren't many bot calls. They happen, but not too often :)
This is the way to do it. And if you think about being in any community, the value comes in many forms depending on what resources an individual has. An individual with no money, can still add value with time and skill for example. However, someone can also choose not to add anything, but take what they can.
Those challenges can help people build engagement as well as habits :)
Didn't really think about it that way but yes, it's true in real life aswell. People can contribute to a community / organization /... in a lot of different ways: financially, spending their time, giving ideas, using their network, etc
To me, a good post is something that people interested in the subject actually want to read. Which is a completely different thing from a good account.
A good account should participate beyond just making a good post. Unfortunately, the best posts on Earth are still not adding value if nobody knows they exist. A good account tends to be one with an author who at minimum replies in their own posts, and makes sure that others are aware that they exist.
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Yes. An individual post is like that, but if it is a standalone without history or future, it will always remain an individual post. Part of a series however, it becomes part of the story in a life and the lives with whom it connects. This "life" flow is the community and builds culture.
Exactly! It is the same in a community - the best idea is useless, if no one hears it or is willing to listen. In a community however...
This is why I just recently completed the Goddess of Darkness series. The finish has been written since I started being active here, but with only a few readers I decided to wait to publish it (and ended up making a few small edits in the process). It just didn't seem worth posting something that I'd put so much time into if it would never be seen. And by waiting, some ended up reading from the beginning :)
!PIZZA
I've actually learned that it's not as hard as you think. I've been here for a few months now and ı've witnessed and experienced what you've said. Recently I was incredibly surprised when one of my posts was chosen as the post of the day. Of course I was very happy, but I didn't expect something like this. Even though I really have very few followers, as you wrote, it's important to go and read people's posts and leave them valuable comments. Because we care about comments more. Votes are mostly trails.
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And not only that. Hive is not only a platform, you didn't mention it, but discord is also very effective in this regard. Especially there it is useful to talk to new people and listen to them, even if it's just one message a day. This is not only for the development of our own account and making more money.🍭🍭
When the hive is seen as a social platform and when it is done sincerely, with time and care, when the posts are actually read, it is more useful. Votes or no votes. 🤗🤗
You are the perfect example, yes, your articles are often in a conversational tone. You do not add value like a scientist. Or you don't add value like a travel article. Or some other DIY, teach, howto articles...
People like you because of you, because you support them, comment and respond, they come and read. They also support you.
When socialization comes before money and vote anxiety, HIVE is really enjoyable.🧐
Yes it is. Not everything can be on chain for many reasons, but the discords are also part of the relationship building activities with people who live on and off chain. Meetups are great too!
Yep. But, it isn't up to the community to read, it is up to the creator to build themselves into the community so people want to read. This can be done in many ways, but generally centers around the content, and the engagement beneath.
And I think it is moving that way, but it moves slowly. Everyone lives in a world where money is king and it is hard to break the mentality.
this is true and hard. Writing articles are easier to be honest 😁 getting someone to your post and at least have them check it out, without spamming them, is a unique challange. It is still fun though. 🤗🤗
Most might say the payout or upvotes a post recieves, but I would say what makes a post good on HIVE is comment(s).
Yep - comments are a massive part of the ecosystem for building relationships, yet many spend more time posting for reward, than getting to know others, then wonder why no one pays attention to them.
Couldn't have put it better.
Cheers mate - hope you are well :)
Well yes, in reality, I believe subjectivity is based more on certain contents; for example I'm not a game lover so I rarely get caught up in posts that talk about gaming (even though I play I admit it, but of all my activities currently it's the one I could give up); of course I can also find the value in a post that is not similar to my arguments where the emotion of the writer takes over, maybe you are talking about a game that I don't even like but you also transmit emotions and experiences which for me is a value.
Obviously I have to be able to land on that post and touching on a topic that basically doesn't attract me will be more complicated.
I believe in many cases that what You define as value corresponds with my idea; regardless of the topic I love the interaction and the exchange of ideas and opinions and, when I find a post under which this happens, for me that is value.
It's true that I always prefer to see many comments under my posts, the more I have the happier I am because I can interact and maybe meet more people.
I believe that the litmus test should never be the number of votes taken, that is something that can mislead; of course everyone likes votes and it would be hypocritical to say otherwise but I don't think those are the index of being in front of a good post or at least, I don't think it's just those.
Furthermore, the value that can be brought to the Hive chain is not only given by the creation of the post but also by many actions that perhaps do not even get a reward; there are those who moderate, those who curate and those who keep everything going by writing the Hive codes, all these people bring great value and often many of the Hivers don't even know they exist; Hive could easily survive with a few less good quality posts but it sure wouldn't survive without the programmers coding the code...if that's not valuable, what is?
Listening to passionate people talk about what they love is intoxicating.
Yes. Some people write great posts, but generate no discussion, even when they are seen. Why? Often it is because they haven't built those relationships. If you walk down the street shouting at strangers, most people are going to walk away - but if you sit down with friends over a cappuccino, the conversation can lead into dinner and wine hours later.
A lot of people don't seem to know they are getting curated by a network of people who trust each other too. I have friends who send me posts at times to vote, and I send them some too :)
A great topic for discussion. I believe in quality engagement which can only be possible when the post to be commented on is read. I have read some comments on my post and they are just absurd. It means the person isn't interested in engagement. I mean, why not read and leave? Instead, you'd be met with a comment which says, "Nice post." Insane, right?
Though I believe in quality engagement, I also strongly believe in quality posts. Don't just write because you don't want to miss a day. Write like you mean it. It is as simple as that.
THey are doing it for the votes - or they have mental issues ;D
Yep. And I haven't missed a day in almost 6 years ;)
Everything I write, I want to write.
Ha ha, this I agree with, they do have a loose knot up there.
Wow, that is incredible. I have missed some days... Maybe weeks due to intense sickness. Sometimes, when I feel emotional turmoil and cut in the power supply that got fixed by getting a Power Bank. Apart from these, I have been active.
That's completely true, but overall relationship is the secret supremacy that hurts most of the new comers. Often their good posts are neglected by most pf the people as vote value suppress that badly😭
But a healthy engagement will disappear such situation that requires quality posts and comments.
So, quality is needed in posts or engagement!
Thanks for sharing!
Imagine being at a bar with your friends, and a stranger comes up and starts talking to you as if they have been in the group forever? Does that seem normal? However, they can get to know you too, can't they?
People come in with expectations, but aren't necessarily willing to build the understanding, including the understanding that this is about relationships. There aren't algorithms here to help us connect - we have our behavior and our activity.
Yeah, you are right, we have to meet and talk frequently to know each other and someday will be a friend without whom the bar will be boring! But we are lucky to have a permanent bar that will never be closed and never be missed as often we need to leave our beloved living place for different goals, and thanks Hive for giving us the opportunity.
That's the point. But it is true that expectation is not bad until that makes you desperate. Also, the virtual behavior is a totally new concept that needs to be understood by many of us including me in some cases, it's really a long way to walk...
When a post is voted on regardless of who is voting, it is the community reaching a consensus to pay you, so that's an objective resolution, at that point in time, the community objectively decides to pay.
A good post is really a complex array of visible and invisible components. Your social capital and network effect are the frontrunners. But it would be wrong to decide the worth of a post based on the earning, that's my personal opinion, regardless of how good the trending page is. Earning should be considered as a parallel thing and or an incentive that should not be strictly seen in relation to the quality of a post. Sometimes there may be a convergence, but if you strictly equate earning with quality posts, many might get disappointed.
The law of average also comes into play. Keep it simple. Be a part of the process, and forget about the result. Just think about it, we don't get paid on Twitter, but it's still funny to engage there, if we can remove that extrinsic motivation, then we are always in a win-win position here.
It is the staked community. And technically, it hasn't reached consensus until payout. Up until that, it is still in negotiation :)
Yet some people do. Or the time and effort they spent creating it, another bad metric. If a professional mechanic or I fix a car, I will spend far more time and effort on that individual fix, does that mean I am better value? :D The thing is though, that in order to fix that car fast and well, the mechanic has had to do a lot of study and practice.
If quality equals adding value to the community, then they shouldn't ;)
Twitter is a cesspool because people don't get paid! :D
I know what I have done is try to pay attention to what other good writers on the platform are doing and pick up tricks and tips from them to add to my writing and content. I do not want change what I write about or why I write, but how I can take that and add value to the community is important to me. For instance, the current series I am doing in the Reflections community is for my own therapy, but I also hope it helps others and provokes conversation and others to look inward. Not sure if that is the type of thing you are talking about, but that is what I am trying for anyway.
And this has value and, it gives people a view of you, in combination with a view of themselves, if they reflect. This is the reason I started that community, because it helps people find their place in the entire Hive community too :)
and I am so glad to have found the community at this time I have needed it.
There are good points here.
I have thought for too long that thanks to my crypto-experience I could impact a lot the community here. I made some posts up to 15$ and a lot of deep posts I created, that were giving a lot of insights to the users of the crypto-space and and others were just ignored. Then, I saw many actifit (like @devpress ) mentions and a loooooot about games taking up to tens and tens of dollars worth.
But then, I understood that posts get curated by people with same or similar interests. Meaning, that there is a "curation-market". If someone fit into the curations offer he will get curated more often otherwise it will take much longer to create an income here.
So I dropped my Ego, and started as well to post different things about my life, my experiences and so on. And results started appearing plus a nice dose of getting to know other users and bringing value to them as well.
So, in the end, I am thankful for the curation and the attention I am receiving and I open to suggestions to build even more here!
This is an interesting insight, isn't it? I have said for a long time here, that people support people, not content. The content is a way to get to know each other, a point for interests and the like to evoke personalities to be seen. It is a community, not a search engine :)
The more people connect with people, the stronger the community becomes. Focus on the top level posts only, and it becomes a data dump.
I got it. Like we say in Italian "better late than never"
Let's keep building and thanks for your continuative inspiration
Is meta content mandatory to survive and get noticed at Hive? Cause it seems content glorifying Leo, Hive, and Hive-related apps is monopolizing curations.
Not really, but there is another side to it too. for example you mention Leo, which is obviously interested in supporting Leo content and content through their interface. When it comes to Hive content however, one thing to remember is that all staked users are also Hive owners and therefore, it is a common point of interest. Talking about Hive doesn't get attention, helping people build their lives into the Hive ecosystem is useful. But, very few people are able to combine the technical, economic and social perspectives together to be able to add value to a wider user base.
Just an observation: this is an algorithm. We function on our own, self designed, algorithms, even when we get up in the morning and put on our slippers.
I hate to say this, but posts by persons with large upvote values, large enough to upvote a comment on any of their posts, will attract more comments. I do not upvote comments on my posts unless they are spectacular (@carolkean's for instance), because I really can't afford to. My upvote is so small, I prefer to use it on posts, not comments. I'm very happy to get an upvote on a comment of my own, of course.
I am willing to pay for behaviors that support the individuals in the community, both irl, and online. I'm not sure what you are asking about the "percentage of the community." I can't read and support all the posts in a community, so I try to spread the love among those I already know and love, and a few newbies, who will be very grateful for my ten cent upvote. I remember those days when ten cents was 100% of my rewards.
As I have said before, it's a good thing I am not here for the money! I am here for the information, and the community. A few of these hiveans I count among my close friends. That is top quality value for me.
Yes it is. At a community level, it is a very complex algorithm. There are group preferences, even though there are individual differences.
This is true - but the quality of the conversation can differ also. You can see who is engaging well and building, and who is only doing it for the vote. Also, I have been voting comments most of my time on Hive, because I think it is a good way to support content creators, that aren't producing post content. I also reckon it is pretty cool to reward people who are engaging well :)
Give it a 1% vote - like a read receipt. It might not be worth much, but it makes a difference - and of course, reply :)
Don't you think my just replying is enough? I try to reply to all comments, unless they clearly did not even read my post. One guy recently commented on a post about my grief for my son, and told me he enjoyed every word! lol I ignored that one.
Yes I do! But, spending the 1% provides something too. It is an added appreciation and costs (virtually) nothing.
Yep. Many people shouldn't get responses. I sometimes encourage some however, hoping that they will learn in time to improve. Some do, some don't.
lol Triggered NoNames
You have to be careful with that. You're insulting the integrity of those leaving comments and receiving votes for them. Have a look at my posts. Are all those comments there because I have stake and upvote?
Thank you for discussing this with me. I hope I haven't been offensive, but do recognize that as a possibility. I know I have to be careful with it, that's why I said "I hate to say this". My last talk with a whale about this very topic did not go well.
I don't quite understand where you are coming from with this comment though. To answer your question - yes! I can see that you do upvote most of the comments on your posts. That upvote is quite large for a comment, and some of your received and upvoted comments took no effort at all. Others lead to productive and valuable conversations. Of course some will comment for that possible upvote. Do you think not?
Please know that I am not faulting you!!! I see that you work hard on your posts, that you produce content that is well written, valuable and interesting, and, as a long term hivean, you deserve high rewards. You deeply engage with the more intelligent and thoughtful of the comments. This is good! I also spent a bit of time scrolling through your activities, and can see that you support small accounts regularly. Thank you! Several of those who seem to upvote you regularly do too, so you are in good company.
We all have to make our time here work for us in some way or another. My way is by entertaining my small, but loyal, freewriting followers. Most of our posts make next to nothing. My ROI on posts that take me a week or more, for the ink well, or hive garden, silver bloggers etc, is so bad, I no longer bother very often; they'd get oodles of comments, but earn ten/twelve bucks - I can't justify spending that kind of time here. My freewrites, which take a half hour to produce, average $5. They're good too. Go read one. Here, I liked this one a lot, and it made peanuts. But I enjoyed writing it. I think it's a good freewrite, and I am happy I took the time to produce it.
The perspective of what a small account thinks is right and fair is different from what your perspective might think is right and fair. Like life in the flesh.
It's hard to really tell what is a good post and I just go with whatever I can. I do reward the people who do show up to my posts and engage. In a way, I want people to engage but it's hard to really know what will hit or not. I was bothered at the start because nobody noticed me but it has changed slightly over time because whatever happens is whatever happens.
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There is luck involved, but there are also the other factors like topic and readability and stuff. There are a couple curation projects that look for various content (some better than others) to vote, but it doesn't seem to translate into building engagement for those accounts.
Another good post is the one that stays off plagiarism
Plagiarism is very bad for writers like us.
Yes it is. Many seem to not be able to help themselves.
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genuine and consistency are key factors
You nailed it boss, nice write up
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hi. I read your post carefully.
Thanks for keeping us informed. : )
Literally, I was thinking that what is the best post on Hive which can give me more fame here since last 5 days... Now I got the answer 😄
Thank you for the answer ...
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I'm not so old on hive but i observe that people give more upvote than write a good comment. A comment shouldn't be nice post dear but it's something consist of three lines at least.
I try to engage on other post but now I'm new here so there's zero engagement on my post 😐
Reading this post and all the comments from top to bottom. This a very insightful article and exchange of comments that I can learn as a newbie here on Hive. Thanks a lot. :D
Well, the quality of your content speaks for itself, and it naturally brings out my desire to comment and engage with it as a habit for each post.
On the other hand, I am trying to build community and support for my content, mostly Splinterlands focused, via brawl reports and other investment choices that I've made. Sadly, I don't actually get much engagement outside of bot replies saying I've been upvoted or added to some curation trail. I go out of my way to respond to all the real comments I receive, but so far those are few and far between. I hope that with my increased frequency and routine of writing articles, my support and comments will also begin to grow. But also, I hope that my writing is engaging and adding value to the Splinterlands community.