All that investor mindset bullocks you spout doesn't mount to anything if people know their content which is the human part on the blockchain can't get some level of respect. Why the hell do you think Blurt isn't even near Hive when you complaining about downvotes, they removed that function and gave people all the voice they have to yell for and what happens to the place? Just a bunch of self voting pricks and cppy paste posts from the Internet.
You want to invest in that type of freedom? There's your answer. No downvotes there.
While you cry for social engagement as a sign of health, the blockchain still moves in $ knowing that value is being put in parts where people don't need to get paid to have an opinion. See Splinterlands.
You think getting paid to blog was a bright idea? It's all paid to have an opinion and hope someone tips you for a job well done or thanks for sharing an opinion. And upvote is an opinion that content should get rewarded and visibility, the same as a downvoted in reverse.
There’s more than one way to look at a problem. That’s the value in valuing people with different ideas and opinions. If you have a culture that doesn’t accept differences you will have solutions that are to narrow and ultimately fail. The world is far to wide and big for this sort of thinking and anything that is derived from a foundation that is too narrow in scope will endUP deficient and marginalized. It’s not the time to regurgitate pre-conceived ideology… it’s the time to unplug from the Hive think and actually LISTEN to the community. A social blockchain like this one will grow if it is listening because it can then have the vision required to innovate the future. The future is far to dynamic for static fixed mindsets. We need real solutions and this isn’t the level of thinking that’s going to get us there. You can’t build castles on sand… you have to build them on well thought out bedrock. Blockchains founded on these fundamentals will stand the test of time and not perpetuate disfunction.
Great job building on those real solutions, by downvoting people you disagree on with your comet wanker, you effectively do the same thing the people you try to accuse being mean only taking a moral high ground. That's the height of hypocrisy. I don't downvote people for their opinions. It's the financial rewards I am taking why I downvote.
You on the other hand, disagree and downvote opinions you dislike. I would understand it if my comments got rewarded and you taking those reaards out is an expression of your opinion. But to downvote even when there is nothing to take from a zero payout comment? Bruh, that's pretty much how bigots work.
Say what you will… but celebrating being mean is so far out of any healthy mindset… being a bully is so far out of any healthy mindset… I’m going to take an opportunity to communicate those values. And bullying and being mean deliberately (in public hidden by a profile) is something that I dislike enough to DV immediately. Do I risk taking singular action? Yes. But so long as there is raw exposure to the DV I will use it to do good. Do I like it? No. I would rather take collective community action. That’s an intelligent response. I have showed you where we are currently… and I have shown you where I think we need to go. I have taken the time to logically discuss this with you. I have even explained why you got those DV’s from @Comet.Ranker in the 1st place. If that isn’t some form of respect I don’t know what is.
Take it or leave it. I hope you consider well what has been discussed here today.
I’m going to give you an full UP vote. I appreciate you taking the time to discuss things with me even if we might have conflicting view points. There’s value in that we connected in some form or fashion.
Have a good day!
I’m about to kick off another full day myself!
@wil.metcalfe
Dunno, some of us have political ideologies unpopular in our local areas that we have to take our privacies seriously. Have you ever received a death threat for speaking out against your local government? then find live ammos sent to your mailbox over the course of months? When you can't trust your own government to protect you. I live in difficult places. You take your freedom of speech for granted. That's why I never understood people crying for downvotes as a means of censorship here. It's just a bunch of grown ass adults who never lived with mortal threats to their being.
I don't think campaigning against downvotes are solved by adding more downvotes. It's just muscling in your belief system on others to conform or get more downvotes. Ironically using the same method the bullies you campaign against. So if your bullies listen to you by using your own force but having a moral high ground, it makes you more right?
You missed the point. (Could that be because you are listening to respond rather than understand?) Did I ever say get rid of the DV? No. I. Did. Not. I said it needed to be re-thought and intelligently re-innovated. [period]
Suggest to reinnovate how to upvote while you're at it because it's more problematic to see stolen and spam content get rewarded. You want to regulate downvotes like how it should be used? Regulate upvotes too because those can equally be as toxic as downvotes.
I don't tell people what to do with their damn upvotes or downvotes, I'm fine seeing that choice be done freely by them on their accounts. And then take in whatever consequences that come with those actions.
By the way… Pomp spoke about what we are attempting to innovate here on Hive today… he talked about why it’s important… and he also talked about what decentralized platforms like Hive need to do to gain market share and why user friendliness from function to community matter. Check it out!
The difference between this place and Youtube is no one can have the anxiety to get deplatformed by a whim. Have you seen strikes on channels where the AI decides or just people abusing the report button for trolling? people get their channels taken down temporarily for those false DMCA or AI takedowns, we don't get that to happen here. If one has strong political opinions and whackos here they still get a voice and have the damn privilege to point where the source of voice to skull is. They don't tolerate that shit on YT even if it's just expressing an opinion the content gets removed. Here people can get access even if it's "muted"
We are trading one anxiety (abuse) for another. We have got to do far far better than this for this project to have relevance to those considering other options than what’s presented with social2.0. We need to control for negative factors on the blockchain but we need to do it constructively and fairly with owners and freedom in mind. If we can’t do that we will not succeed. People will not invest. Users will not be retained. And ideas (business) can not flourish. After 4 years of being here heart and soul… I know what needs to change on this blockchain and I think that I’m not the only one realizing this. To stay the same is to not grow and become better. If we aren’t growing (at Layer 0 and Layer 1) nothing on Layer 2 will survive. It’s basic fundamentals.
Perhaps we are looking at the problem from two different view points… but I’m glad we had this conversation.
It’s been beneficial.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me.
👍
@wil.metcalfe
I think your being a bit difficult here. We can’t win the game with defence alone… right now we can’t move past the problems the DV is causing… it’s becoming more and more clear by the day. We don’t want to wait until the music stops to finally sitUP and see the problems for what they are. Stake is stake. If it’s harmful use of stake innovate it at the base layer. Getting a bunch of people to walk the halls does little to actually address the real issues at the root. It, in effect, only makes them worse and also signals to the spammers, scammers, etc weakness. The way to solve a problem is to scale it in code on the blockchain… not throw fallible and limited humans at it. We innovate our way out of the problems we have. We come from a position of true strength. That’s the only way to win. Look… we are all here on the ground floor doing something that’s never been done before… thousands of years of human history have lead us select few to this pin point in time. We can’t think that innovating the future is going to be solved by repeating the mistakes of the archaic past. We are better than that. We have to be better than that! I want to win… don’t you?
Freedom to choose how one uses their downvotes or upvotes. Even gangstalking enjoys this freedom and ain't uncensored by it no matter how unanimous the community dislikes the guy. People can just move 2nd layer without the downvote visible and enjoy the lack of censorship if they built it that way. No need to bother with 1st layer frontends if they are so bothered with mean people taking away their reaards. They could just earn from their community coins if they find value in it.
Doing that is building on sand as I have already said. What happens on layer 1 is a direct result of what happens on Layer 0. We can’t think that by building on a faulty Layer 1 a Layer 2 solution is going to fix the problem. It’s only going to amplify it. Anyone with an understanding of systems could tell us this.
Raw exposure to DV has only spread unfriendliness and disfunction throughout the system… gangstalking is proof of this. Why scale something that isn’t working? How do you market something that’s broken? No amount of flossing over is going to work. Retention is proof and the proof is in the pudding.