This is a great example Glen.
I agree completely of course but your comments about the EL especially. People think they're engaging with 8-10 comments per week...Try 350 and almost 100,000 characters!
Investing time in commenting can seem fruitless but it's not, plain and simple. It's so easy too. Read the post, make a few lines in comment, have some dialogue, repeat on a few more posts from that user and you have a relationship.
This is the benefit of the EL...It tracks performance and the numbers don't lie. Such an easy way of keeping things legit when it comes to engagement. Everyone should be on it!
I totally agree...Time to cowboy up!
Large accounts, medium and small...especially new...Comment more. Setting a goal and being in the EL is also suggested. But alas, many will not...They will rely on their alliances and then complain and finger point at others for not engaging.
I agree, we all need to do it, and if we are, the new ones will follow. We need to lead out by example.
I wonder just how many of those folks spend more time on discord than they do on chain. It seems to me that there must be friendships and alliances being forged there, because the lack of engagement on chain wouldn't do it. So, there everyone sits, talking on top of one another. I guess it is possible to get someone to look at your posts and such, and I'm not saying it doesn't have it's benefits—I've got GINABot open all the time—but if you want engagement on chain, you've got to bring it from Discord, too.
And as far as time investment goes—it really doesn't take that long. It can at first, just knowing where to go to find posts your interested in, but after that, it just becomes a routine.
The sad thing we're running up against always is that few people really like to read or write. That's why we've got Twitter and what used to be 114 character caps, and memes ruling the social media-verse. If people could communicate in emojis and memes on and offline, they would. :)
Your Discord point is valid and yes, I believe that many sit there and chat instead of on hive. I've seen it with my own eyes. Sure, it has its place, but the engagement should be on hive and with a person spending hours on Discord circle-jerking in a chat room they don't have time left for hive. I find Discord frustrating mostly, the chat rooms. I message back and forth with a few users but it's not a daily thing.
Your last paragraph is good too, yep, that's the problem. Maybe we're the dinosaurs man? I don't know, everyone is looking for a shortcut these days and they find them...But what real value is there?
I hope historians in the future read emoji as there won't be much of the english language (any language) left in the future.
I guess we started with pictographs of some kind, we might as well go full circle. :)
I try to minimize what I do on Discord, too. Only recently, within the last six months, have I actually been able to get a few answers to questions I had. Initially, nada. And for places that are supposedly trying to accomplish something, there seems to be more idle chatting than anything else, all on top of one another so that it's difficult to follow, and mostly about topics I'm not interested in repeating. First time ever on Discord turned me off from it completely, if the name discord itself wasn't enough to do it. Who decides to call an online chat/voice service, discord, anyway? Do we want to invite backbiting and infighting? :)
I hear ya loud and clear with Discord...It's a gamers thing I guess, and we know how they can be. Lol
I prefer to use it only when I need to communicate, like with Asher yesterday on that arcange thing. (Arcange apologised by the way). I got on Discord chatted one to one with Asher and bibbety bobbety boo...Solved.
I don't know man, I think many just have nothing better to do and so spend their time in Discord. I've always had a problem with a monetised platform playing out off the platform like on Discord. Yes, do the back end stuff there, but engage on the platform. Just my opinion.