For the sake of the argument, and following you line of thought - if the father agrees to leave the decision solely to the mother, would then abortion be accepted?
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For the sake of the argument, and following you line of thought - if the father agrees to leave the decision solely to the mother, would then abortion be accepted?
Yes. Absolutely 100% agree. If he is waiving his rights he waives his rights.
But its still not a federal issue.
Lol. Sorry about the other comment. I didnt realize you could edit a comment.
But its still not a federal issue.
Not federal, not state either.
It's inconceivable to me that someone else would tell a woman what to do with her body. To advise, yes, by all means.
We agree there 100%. Except that its inconceivable that someone else would tell anybody what to do with their body. Woman or man. Government should stay out of our lives period. Government should only provide border security & infrastructure.
And stay out our pockets, lol.
One unique aspect of pregnancy though is that there are two bodies involved. Not just one. I agree with a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body. I also believe that there exists a right to life. But if the right of a woman to do whatever she wants with her body conflicts with the right to life then I see the right to life as being more important. That is why to me the important question is about when the right to life begins. If I understand correctly, you believe that the woman an child can determine that on their own, I'm not so sure. I say that because I think many abortions happen out of fear vs. a "conversation" (for lack of a better word) between mother and child.
The main difference between us is that I associate life with consciousness and you with a physical body.
I will not be able to convince you, ever, because consciousness must be felt separated of the body in order to be convinced. If you are interested, you may google "out of body experiences in dreams" as a starting point.
That's not quite true. I associate life with consciousness / the soul as well. It's just that I don't think that we as humans have a firm grasp on when that comes into existence. Hence I tend to err on the side of it existing earlier rather than later.
Understood. I jumped into conclusions too fast.
I can only speak for myself when I say that I am in a close connection with my soul self and not just intuitively. Moreover, I do believe that pregnant women receive clear messages from their fetuses' souls and their own (based on a survey I made with my three sisters when they were pregnant) :-)
Well, I guess I'm not convinced your sisters represent every woman in the world :). Certainly their are many women who don't even believe in a soul or in the ability to communicate that way. I tend to think that there are many women that have an abortion out of fear of the responsibility a child will bring because the pregnancy was unexpected or unintended and in that state of mind wouldn't necessarily be in tune with such things. In any case, even if every single woman in the world did in fact know when their baby gained a consciousness, would every one still base an abortion decision on that? While this discussion is way beyond what the law could reasonably decide at this point, would a woman who had an abortion knowing their unborn child had a consciousness/soul be a murderer (morally speaking)?