Now that we have come to this discourse, let me also answer you in a manner that I won't hold back myself.
First of all, there are things we can agree and disagree on and that's fine with me. I totally respect diversity of opinion. However, there are matters that should not be a subject of any debate. Like rape, racism, crime against humanity, these are topics that should be taken as is without the context of who the violator and who the victim is. We don't need religion to be able to distinguish that these acts are wrong. That's my first point.
Second point, what @hiddenblade's trying to point out here is that it's her body and she can do with it whatever she wants. That's outside of anyone's control. You can't impose your religion, ideology, and thoughts as you are encroaching her freedom which is naturally with her regardless of what she's done.
Third point, questioning her motive of showing her body is offensive as it is encroaching her freedom to express herself. Regardless of her motive, showing her body doesn't mean consent. I repeat, it's not a consent that you can touch her or do anything with her just because she's showing her body.
Fourth point, you claimed to be a Christian and yet you condone to the idea of harassment because someone's showing a piece of her skin. Calling someone stupid because she complained of harassment is victim blaming. That should be stopped regardless what context we are in. What should be evaluated is the context of your argument. You're bringing in texts from the Bible which are written thousands of years ago when women are regarded as a commodity, house material, and lesser than men.
Rape, as with any form of harassment, is not about sex. It's about dominance and control. It's about violence. That should be the focus and not a woman's clothing at the time of that heinous crime. Besides, if a woman's body and clothing is the basis of why there's rape, why are nuns and children, infants even, being raped?
Honestly speaking, I'm disappointed to see comments like this. This kind of thinking is the reason why we still have a debate on this topic even when there should be none. #StopVictimBlaming
Last point, since we are nitpicking texts from the Bible to serve as basis of our convoluted argument, here are mine:
And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
-Matthew 18:9 (NLT)
29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
-Matthew 5:29-30 (NIV)
RAPE EXISTS BECAUSE OF RAPISTS!
You misunderstood me. Do you read my first sentence?
About that verse. That is not literal if you know the logic of the bible... LOL
Those eyes are bad things! That is why there is a verse in the bible "Mathew 5:28" for men! If you know that? Because if you know, you will not say those words.
Those hands, cut off are the bad works of the hand! Not the literal hands! LOL
Sorry if you misunderstand my message. I am not American to be fluent in the English Language. Thank you for your response. I'm proud to say that I am a Filipino.
You're saying no offense when your very comment is very offensive. I didn't misunderstand you. Your point is very clear. You pointed out that complaining because of harassment is stupid because the victim is showing some skin. Which part of that is not victim blaming?
Now you're claiming the literal sense of the Bible. Why are you bringing a verse in the Bible in your argument if it should not be taken literally? Should we consider the context we are in? Should I take your verse literally while taking mine as not? I'm just giving you a taste of your own poison. LOL
And don't lecture me about cutting off the literal hands. I know the context and nuance of those verses. FYI, I read the Bible more than you can imagine that's why I understand those words should not be taken as is and should be in context.
I am also proud to say that I am a Filipino and I can bring my argument anywhere. In any language or context, there should be no arguments about these topics in the first place.
Kahit na anong wika pa ang gagamitin mo, ang mali ay mali.
Now I'm not proud to see a fellow Filipino commenting like this. Backward thinking.
Ayaw ko na sana eh? Pero masyado ka kasing mapanghamak ng kapwa mo. Mataas pa naman tingin ko sa iyo. Unang una, wala akong masamang tinapay sa iyo at sa mga sinabi ko. At talagang malaking issue ito na talagang paguusapan at hindi naman kailangan pag awayan? Kailangan lang ng unawaan. Pasensya ka na sa English ko kasi hindi ako marunong mag express masyado in English kung napagkamalian mo ako at iba ang dating' sa iyo?
Sabi mo nga, "don't lecture you about cutting off the literal hands." Hindi kita pinapangaralan KIM, ipinapaliwanag ko lang sa iyo sa abot ng kaya ko in English. And if you know the context dahil alam kong Kristiyano ka din, dapat nauunawaan mo yung nakasulat sa 1 TOMOTHY 2:9-10 without excuses...
Pasensya ka na sa wordings ko sa English at trying hard lang naman ako talaga. Pero kung sa tagalog lang, kaya ko ipaliwanag kahit magkabaluktot baluktot pa tayo ng usapan.
Pasensya ka na ulit sa English ko ha at alam ko napagkamalian mo ako, kasi hindi ko alam kung paano i-express. Merong kasing tagalog words na walang katumbas sa English words.
Is this ad hominem in the making, @hiddenblade? 😂
Please realize how crooked your arguments are regardless of what language you're using. And please don't bring language difference as an excuse to your inexcusable perception about this topic. You can express in any language you want as I can with mine. You're proving my point. If men can't suppress their urges just because of the type of clothing women are wearing, then men are trash.
And no, there's no "agree to disagree" when it comes to topics like this. There's no mutual understanding and embracing differences in opinion. It's either you're siding with the oppressor or not.
I don't care if you think highly of me. This is not about me in the first place. This is for the victims out there who are afraid to report because of people like you who blames the victim instead of the rapist. Ad hominem don't work on me.
Tell your arguments to the victim's face and see how they will react.
RAPE IS RAPE regardless of circumstance. And for you to differentiate situations surrounding the act is flawed and very concerning. Realize that the common denominator of all those situations is the rapist. They're the ones who should be blamed. Why can't you men keep your hands to yourself? Also, hindi pamimilosopo ang paggamit ng mga argumentong nakabatay sa tunay na pangyayari.
Again, stop blaming the victim!