I have no problem with downvotes that are used with consideration and I think many people are fine with them. I think the problem that we are talking about is downvotes that are simply used to counter upvotes without manually overseeing if the posts actually deserve it.
I think people are losing sight of the actual problem.
This has nothing to do with normalizing downvotes. This has to do with the collateral damage caused by whale wars that do not involve anyone but the two whales.
That is what this proposal is seeking to do. Assist people who have been adversely affected by a whale war, that has absolutely nothing to do with the quality or content of their post.
I hope that makes it more clear 😊
(and if this proposal doesn't pass, that's perfectly fine as I stated in the post. My hope is that it pulls people out of the talking mode...and into the problem solving mode. then maybe we all win! )
Who makes the call? The people who gets pressure cause they will loose their funding if they don't listen to lords aka admins. Xeldal and marky both r right in their own CONSIDERATION.
If both parties claim they manually view it (there is no current way to find out nor asking for this information makes sense). Even in this case of xeldal and marky it's too hard to draw a line, atleast for me based on my knowledge gathered from dark habit holes. The people who will be incharge will end up not doing favours but politically pressured cause of capitalist POV, resulting in favours by any means possible.
Unless it's a more decentralized and solid concept, that's a no from my side.
We r talking about decentralization here but always end up with centralized ideas like HW while mostly don't even know about hivedownvoterewards, curangel, freezepeach, watchingthewatchers, hiveminds.
Your thoughts are beautiful but......
I guess I could ask you who makes the call now?
who made the call to downvote all those posts that were decent posts, right?
I didn't say they were wrong....i asked Marky if he has actually read Deraaa's post to see if it was worthy of xeldal's upvote.
He said "I was merely countering his upvote"
Does that seem like consideration went into evaluating the post? or just an automatic counter?
I'm not sure how to keep the focus on the fact that this was a whale war, and the downvote has nothing to do with the quality of her post.
it was a counter to an upvote... regardless of the quality of the post.
That is the collateral damage that is happening to many people because two whales are arguing.
This is not an issue of someone using a downvote. It's a matter of two people warring and damaging other accounts that are uninvolved.
Good luck 🤞
I have peace about whatever is decided, hehehe so no luck is needed for me.
I am actually hopeful that whales see the bigger solution is actually much easier than this whole approach.
STOP COLLATERAL DAMAGE FROM WHALE WARS
The only people that can truly and EASILY end that are the whales themselves.
So we await that....I think THAT is where "luck" is needed 😉
A whale like marky was also a victim for last one year. Not many were interested cause it wasn't ALOT of peoples rewards. His fault was loving hive and protecting the reward pool.
I really wish you all the best but a centralize solution is not what Hive needs and especially with beneficiary and delegations plus funding involved in my pov. I wish all hivers will think together but not starting from xeldal counter votes but from beetoons days slowly coming towards tdtv and then currently going hawk.
Everyone has been a victim of bad behavior.
It never excuses us to react poorly ourselves.
I wish that people would realize that we are all accountable for our actions and saying that we have been abused is never a good reason to abuse others.
I appreciate your opinion, and I also appreciate that you would prefer to pass on this. I'm perfectly fine with that 😊
I do hope that others will not make excuses for poor behavior but offer better solutions that appeal to the community so that we stop having collateral damage from wars that have nothing to do with our content.
Do you know how decentralized antiabuse work? Someone wants a dv and fear to do themselves, just drop a text in channel and some will dv it. No centralize authority or judgement.
Similarly, create a discord a bit similar to freezepeach+hivedr combo and ask people to apply by dropping victim post link. Then decentralized upvoters can counter it. No need for Delegations, beneficiaries or funding. Just need a place in discord to connect victims and volunteer upvoters. And a more decentralized solution is implemented. Maybe ultize some bots and tech.
U can make it more decentralized if you want. Also, you can encourage them by giving badges based on $ value countered. Just make sure people use it to upvote the damage value. Also, a suggestion is ignore any post if they used any inorganic vote method (i know you will disagree here). That's completely fine. Make your own rules.
Everyone deserves equal support either a whale or a fish. Whales are even more important as they play a big role. Does anyone try to help markymark curate freely again by distributing the hits on his counter votes or anyone talked about supporting his posts to counter the effects? I hope it's solved but do people also care about marky or just one side of the picture?
One complain, you upvoted comments who supports similar thoughts as you (first comment not thread or first comment not comment under comment) while you exactly know indexing works on hive with upvotes. What if some would like to call it soft censorship or talking about voice lower in queue? If someone claim it, does this mean you only wanna see people who think like you in comment section for people who read first two comments? No hard feelings. Just logic.
1,3 had different thoughts so they are down in comment section. While all others have similar thoughts so here have a vote not just as appreciation but also making you come on top if someone wanna go to comment section. $ value is dust but indexing of comments matters (based on all comments so far).
I hope it's just a slippery slop and was a non intented thing (maybe u never thought about this pov) and you will try to rank different opinions in comment section to value all types of opinions.