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with me waking at 4AM staying up late doesnt work for me, plus not as young as we used to be to pull an all nighter

I'm with you. I am usually in be by 7:30 or 8:00 PM and then up at 4:00 AM. My wife goes to be even earlier at 6:30.

MY wife lays down at 7ish and goes off to sleep about 9, which is when I head to bed