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A lot of people just set up all night. It's not easy trying to catch her.

with me waking at 4AM staying up late doesnt work for me, plus not as young as we used to be to pull an all nighter

I'm with you. I am usually in be by 7:30 or 8:00 PM and then up at 4:00 AM. My wife goes to be even earlier at 6:30.

MY wife lays down at 7ish and goes off to sleep about 9, which is when I head to bed