I suck at routines too. My kids (all teens now) have never had a bed time. My youngest was a night owl from birth. The others all put themselves to bed when they were tired. I think this is a modern problem because of electric light. Ina time before you could switch on a light (or an iPad) you had to go to bed because there was nothing else to do after dark.
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tokens.That's really true, also feeling that one with the kids just going to bed