If you are not aware, proposals 101 and 102 discuss returning airdrops to voters who directly voted for 2 Tron witnesses, and voters who were proxied to vote for 2 Tron witnesses.
My father and I, and several of our accounts are in both of these lists:
- @cmp2020
- @cmp2020-pb
- @cub1
- @remlaps (only direct voter)
- @remlaps-lite
- @remlaps1
In this post, I will explain why we voted as we did, how the Hive witnesses negotiated what we did, and implore you to go and vote for proposals 101 and 102.
Why did we vote this way?
We did not vote for centralization as those who made the blacklist have suggested. We voted to try and maintain checks and balances between the Tron witnesses and the Hive witnesses (who were then Steem witnesses). Our thought was that if neither side had 17 representatives, then neither could do harm to the blockchain. In our view, both sides had done wrong.
The hive witness side froze stake out of nowhere in the dead of night without making any efforts to communicate their intentions with the community. This, through a chain of numerous events, is what sparked this whole controversy. We were very frightened at the idea of a group in power who is willing to freeze stake without warning, or consultation with the community.
In similar regards, we were very off-put by the actions of Tron in using the exchanges to overtake the chain. We did not like the precedent that it set, and we viewed it as equally wrong. We also did not like the idea of a few day power down that they attempted to push through, and we considered this a threat to the blockchain.
It was after this point that we began to vote for 5 witnesses from each camp to try to keep either faction from getting full control of the chain, and thereby force the two groups to come to consensus before large changes. This is the very definition of decentralization.
The Korean proxy also voted with this strategy in mind. Even @aggroed said that this was a good compromise. Here is one of his tweets:
[Note that the Steem (now Hive) witnesses apparently negotiated this compromise and then turned around to punish the Koreans for participating in it. In addition, they punished us for using the same strategy that they negotiated.]
The other 11 we voted for were witnesses who did not freeze stake, or participate in the Tron exchange takeover because we did not particularly want either group in power.
You may disagree about whether or not this strategy is adequate. But I hope we can agree that my father and I did not:
actively contributed to (and publicly declared support for) the centralization of the Steem Blockchain.
We actually actively contributed to (and publicly declared support for) the decentralization of the Steem blockchain using a strategy negotiated by @hiveio's own witnesses.
Conclusion
I am posting this in case any of my followers do not know that we are on the blacklist. I ask you all to vote for proposals 101 and 102. We should not be punished for voting for what we personally thought (and think) was best for the blockchain, and neither should the community of voters who voted through the Korean proxy. We all used a strategy that was negotiated by the witnesses.
This comment shows how mislead and misinformed you are. I was a Steem witness at the time and I didn't agree to any deal that I renegged on. @aggroed is a single person. He does not speak for "the witnesses".
I will be keeping my vote for proposal #103 and #104.
Also
aggroed was 100% wrong about anything being a good compromise and that was clear at the time.
The SCT/proxy.token (not all Koreans) "strategy" was to make ransom demands because they wanted to milk Steem harder but couldn't do that with their minority stake. They played a stupid game that resulted in Hive splitting from Steem. And then they complain they didn't get any airdrop to Hive when they got exactly what they wanted. Greedy idiots.
Edit:
After three days, @cmp2020 has not followed up with this post or any replies to him. continues to post and comment on Steem, has not acknowledged that his "strategy" was faulty,
and on top of all that
On Steem, this father-son power duo are voting for @steemchiller and @exnihilo.witness who are both running 0.22.8888, active participants in fucking over legitimate Steem stakeholders that added incalculable value to Steem. Way more than those bottom-feeding, scavenger sham witnesses leeching from the corpse of Steem ever will. https://steemd.com/@remlaps
No
You're not much different from the SCT crowd who voted as a "strategy." The Hive airdrop exclusion was made exactly for this kind of stakeholder. You will not get my vote. Voting for those witnesses on Steem, you have earned my active participation in campaigning against such a bad idea. Your irresponsible voting and actions have consequences here.
I am sorry that I did not respond, but I didn't because I have a life and no one's opinion is going to be swayed by me.
We voted for those two because we want to support the individuals. Not because we support what is going on with hf 22.8888. We have been on the fence about it. Maybe we will stop. Edit as of May 11th: In addition, @steemchiller is one of the people who was "accidentally included" in the blacklist, and is being forgiven. Why is the Hive leadership giving him an airdrop if he is an "active participant in f-ing over legitimate Steem stakeholders that added incalculable value to Steem"? Maybe it's because they like him as a developer, and are trying to do the exact same thing that we are trying to do (which is give him a reason to use their platform).
I'm sorry that you feel that way. Good luck with your campaign. Frankly, 20 years from now, hive is not going to matter to me, and I am not going to care about what you think of me, so go ahead and think it. I'm a composer first and foremost, and you can't take that away. Good luck on Hive. The future holds what the future holds, and I am sick of feeling angry all of the time at you people.
In hindsight a more neutral aproach would have been to abstain from voting. Mathematically the result would have been the same. However, given the fact that steemit inc has engaged in:
Wouldn't you say that the former steem witnesses and most of the community that supported them were correct in that Justin Sun was a threat that needed to be addressed?
I respect you and your father but I believe that both of you made in error in judgement by voting for Justin Sun who had a track record of promoting centralization and censhorship on the Tron blockchain prior to the acquisition of steemit.
As for the korean community, they made it clear that they wanted to remove the free downvotes which would make the EIP worthless. To achieve that goal they were willing to go to bed with the devil.
I will not be voting for proposal 101 or 102, however I will vote for individual or group proposals that exclude outright bad actors.
Didn't realize you and @remlaps were excluded. I would support an individual proposal to reward your airdrop or a proposal combined with other well-intentioned accounts that got excluded.
I think you clearly described why you voted for Tron witnesses. While I don't think it was the right decision, I think your family contributes greatly to this network and hope you can continue to do so!
I have been reading your father's posts when we were on Steem and I'm sorry you two got dragged in this mess.
I doubt either of these proposals will pull through. These so called polls say nothing really, other than pointing fingers at a number of account holders, without a way to analyse things case by case (other than individual proposals, which will never pass).
Look at proposal 104, it already has enough support to pass. Don't let your bias keep you from making informed judgments.
That is still a proposal with a list of accounts made by someone well known and well connected in the community, not by the account holders themselves.
And a proposal I'll be voting for, although I don't know the account holders, but I've seen some people whose opinion I respect speaking on their behalf.
Maybe there is hope for certain cases, we will see. I wonder if this one would be one of them as well...
Some comments, from my point of view as a Steem witness for 4 years. (not necessarily representative of all witnesses)
You're saying you didn't vote for centralization but then you say you did. Voting for more than one of the "Tron witnesses", better known as attacking witness accounts was voting for a centralization attack. That is actively contributing to the attack.
You mean the real Steem witness "side". The two sides you're talking about are not exactly equivalent. On the one hand there was Justin Sun/Tron, and on the other a loose confederation of community witnesses that rarely agree on anything, especially not unanimously.
The decision of the witnesses was not taken lightly at all. It was only made because of a continued REFUSAL for Justin Sun to actually talk to anyone. That farce of an AMA with Ned was not talking. Before and after that, him and his lackeys did nothing but give actual Steem community members and witnesses a runaround.
Had the wider community been consulted, the takeover of Steem would have taken place earlier, and more damage would have been done (as we saw after March 2nd) than simply keeping Stinc stake idle and making it clear that Justin Sun needed to communicate with the witnesses and the community better. In hindsight, his takeover was inevitable whether or not the soft fork to freeze Stinc accounts was implemented. Turns out the real Steem community witnesses were right to take action, after all.
Justin bought Stinc, NOT Steem. I invite you to read my post made to explain the background and reason that the Stinc stake was frozen here: https://hive.blog/steem/@pfunk/the-case-for-the-temporary-soft-fork
Anyway, I probably come off as annoyed, and I am with this post which I think is misinformed,
but I don't doubt your support for Hive now. And I sympathize with you that despite supporting Hive, you did not get airdropped stake. But if you would like to get an appealed airdrop, to get my vote for that I'd like to see a little better hindsight on your part, because voting for multiple attacking witnesses, you were part of the problem of the Steem blockchain being held hostage.Edit: cmp2020 and remlaps are full on with the stincing, sinking ship of Steem. Nevermind those last sentences. Their flawed voting was responsible for not getting airdropped, and their actions since then and since this post was made make it clear they're more interested in Steem than Hive. Hell, @remlaps is even a Steemit
collaboratorerr I mean curator now. They got the Steem they voted for! Why complain they didn't get a Hive airdrop? See my reply to netuoso for more reasons why they can stick to the Steem that they voted for.You didn't even mention that I am an official Steem Greeter :(
What's the surprise that we are trying to make Steem a better place? We have literally no incentive to use Hive. If they wanted us here, they should have given us a Stake. Last I checked, curating is not a crime. Neither is greeting. We have over 50 thousand steem, and therefore a reason to try to make Steem a good environment. As opposed to the approximately 700 Hive we still possess.
We don't condone hf 22.8888. We voted for those two individuals to support them as individuals. If we supported hf 22.8888, wouldn't we be voting for 30 witnesses running it?
Again, good luck with the campaign! I really don't care anymore. I'm just not gonna put my music on this platform.