It's not all about the money, sadly that's what people seem to use in defence of Hive when complaints are made:
- "Ah, you're just in it for the money, then?"
- "Meh, people want money for nothing; you've got to work at it!"
The conversation started based on "interaction". I demonstrated to you that on Mastodon, I could drop out a Toot with 200 characters, and within a few minutes, I can get not only lots of responses (Comments) but Boosts (Reshares) as well. On Hive the only constant interaction on EVERY post I make is from you @steevc
- "Well! You can get paid $0.00 on social media for your posts or get paid for posting on Hive."
But that was the point. What I said totally debunks the statement of: You're in it for the money . How can I be in it for the money if I'm saying I get far more interaction on Social Media than I do on Hive? I'm saying my valuable time is far more rewarding on Social Media than on Hive. Now the interesting part is "How come you're more popular on Social Media than Hive then Pete?" so I have my own ideas, which I guarantee will invite hoards of "RUBBISH, YOU'RE TALKING OUT YOUR ARSE PETE!" responses, but I bet I'm close to the truth of it. People want to follow healthy accounts and be associated with accounts that gain big rewards; it's human nature. Who doesn't want to be associated with success in the hope it rubs off on them? I mean, it stands to reason if there are big voters on an account, then maybe if I get noticed in the comments every time, they might drop a big vote on me? It's the same mentality of following whales; people may not, in fact, like them, but the lure of a fat wallet is irresistible.
We all know the accusation that Hive/STEEM is a Ponzi scheme I would argue that it's more like a Pyramid Scheme with the whales, Orcas etc. at the top having to do very little while hoovering up rewards and I might add earning off what others do and those at the bottom struggling for followers, interaction and advancement up the food chain.
I know nothing about Splinterlands, but it's always cited as a success story for Hive. It's basically a Casino where you can earn big rewards, but you can also lose your shirt and underpants too! Now Steve knows my views on what I think Hive is or at least should be, and for me, it's not a Casino or, for that matter, a Crypto making trading platform, so sure, I'm happy to accept that maybe in a small area I might have the wrong idea.
I'm not saying I want to leave Hive or that it needs closing down. I love this "You have to work hard at it" statement everyone drops out; I literally wet myself at it because it's bollocks. I'm practically one of the originals joining in 2017 after Steve invited me; you yourself only joined a year before, in 2016. I vote every day, comment on lots of people's posts fairly regularly, and I'm insanely active on the @ecency Discord channel. The only failing, possibly, is I don't shove out shit twice a day every day to keep the activity levels up. I prefer to post something genuine that has value. Think of it like Kate Bush or Adele, they may not drop out an album for years, but when they do, you know it's going to be brilliant.
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I will point out that your quotes and not things I actually said.
I hope you read some of the other comments as you will see that money is not the primary driver for many. Of course it can attract people, but then they may find a fun community. On Mastodon or Identica you might have already have known a lot of people there from being active in the open source world. Hive/Steem has had less of those people so far.
Compared with many you are not actually that active here and what you do on Discord will be invisible to most.
Hive is neither a ponzi nor a pyramid. Those rely on people at the bottom paying in for those at the top to get paid. Hive generates the funds anyway. Nobody has to buy $HIVE if they don't want to, but if they do then it may help the price. There have to be reasons to build your stake that way and I can think of a few. It does get noticed if you make that sort of commitment, but it's still optional.
If you haven't looked at Splinterlands your assumptions may be wrong. You do not lose money as such there, but buying cards or packs can be considered a gamble.
I can't say that you are really 'doing Hive wrong', but maybe you are just not reaching the right people. I know others who are new here and post once a week to get big votes. That can be because they got involved with an active community.
I definitely don't want you to leave, but we each have to make the best use of our valuable time.
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That's not strictly true. If lots of Minnows start buying Hive like they are constantly being encouraged to when the price is low, that then inflates the value. It's simple economics that those with a bigger stake stand to gain more than those minnows with nickel-and-dime investments. That, in turn, very much makes it look like a Pyramid scheme. Desperate people see accounts gaining high rewards for very little effort, and so, therefore, they start buying Hive because their rewards are so small, and they, too, want to be on the next tier. Hell, it's one of the reasons I keep bitching about my Rep because I'm convinced one needs to be in the 70s' to start seeing the big bucks. 🤣
I seem to remember (Not necessarily by you) being told that the way to make connections was to be active on Discord?
If only I could bank all these different bits of advice, my HP would be through the roof. 🤣🤣🤣
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Whatever. I'm not going to say anything that changes you mind.
Maybe it's your attitude...
Maybe? Nobody likes a disruptive element. 😉
I worked pretty hard for what I managed to accomplish. Do you disagree?
I can't because I don't know your work. For an account that has over 5000 followers while only following just over 400 in return, you're clearly very popular; that's borne out by the fact you don't appear to have a single post under $100.
I also see you're one of the 2016 originals. There weren't many members then, were there? Still, at least we're engaging, which is primarily my main concern. The rewards, while yes, is an element of the equation, it's not the main point of the discussion I had with Steve.
Even following 400, only have ten votes to hand out in a day. Only so much time in a day. I do it all manually. Wouldn't be able to support 5000 myself and was never a fan of the follow for follow trick; prefer the organic approach. Would be nice to be able to support more but I'm spread thin. About half of my HP was purchased and still not enough. I don't post often these days but I am out and about, people follow just from seeing me around commenting I guess. Certainly not invisible here.
I asked though because you seemed to be confident hard work doesn't matter. Yet now you say you'd have to look first and couldn't really answer my question. And I only asked it because you picture says "Question everything." ;)
Not sure where you came to that conclusion from? There are a lot of individuals who do work hard, @steevc and @slobberchops, to name but two (Not keeping on tagging people as it makes it look like they're being picked on.) My definition of hard work is putting the time in, talking to people, encouraging people, delegating, and promoting others' work. "I work hard!" is a bit of a trap statement, TBH. If anyone dares to refute that statement, maybe by saying, "Well, you don't post much?" there's bound to be a massive bust-up. In my opinion, I work hard too. I curate a fair few; I delegate with what little I have to spare. I try and help others, especially on Discord; when it comes to the pitfalls of HiveWatchers, I promote Hive on Social Media, so much so I was very nearly banned from a Mastodon instance a couple of weeks ago for telling someone they could earn from their photos. (Can you believe some people dislike Crypto? 🙊) so what I'm trying to get folks to understand is I actually do put the time in. I do comment, I do vote, and I do everything everyone seems to think is the answer apart from buying Hive (although that is a slight lie, I have bought very small amounts on about three occasions.), and yet I'm really no further forward that I was in 2018 and don't even get me started on my Rep. 🤣
Oh, and it's not just me saying these things. There are a good few others. Even in the comments, there's one or two with the same thought(s) in the back of their minds. 🤷♂️
Yep, I work seven days a week, 8.5 hours a day, Monday through to Friday; then there's a house and family and a very demanding dog. I'm fairly active in the FOSS community (That's outside of Hive) and active on Social Media hence my statement of "My time is valuable" I'd argue that time has a far higher value than any reward Hive has to offer, which is why it makes me a little annoyed that a few peoples first line of defence is: "Ah, this is about money." NO, IT IS NOT. #LeSigh
Rewards do play a part in it, but only because it has to given rewards are part of the Hive ecosystem.
Ah, so you bought your way to the top? 😉🤣
That's what you said.
Noticing you're taking shots at me. Am I wrong about that?
I must admit, the term "Pyramid Scheme" came to my mind too.. 😁
But hey..
It does look a hell of a lot like it was modelled on one, at any rate. And then, what with every screaming "BUY HIVE!" 😉
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It is exactly that! Crypto comes from a thin air, there is no value to it. It grew as people began to invest in it and it slows as people take out of it. Small fish lose, and big fish win. Small fish will always lose.
Steemit and Hive are built on the same principle. We have 20% for HBD savings because if people will not buy HIVE, the value will drop. Big fish will lose money.
Just curious, if you feel it’s scammy like this why use it? Not a criticism, I dig ur stuff after looking just now and you seem pretty rad. Just curious though.
One word for you - people! 😉
True that :)
Just a couple of points to add to the conversation..
Hard work is no guarantee of success. It increases your chances but doesn't guarantee anything. You have to produce something that people want. You could spend hours to produce an outstanding article but if it is on a subject that not many people on hive care about then it probably won't receive much in the way of upvotes. As far as frequency, I don't think you have to churn out multiple posts a day but posting something twice a week will probably give better results (or quicker results) than posting once a month.
The problem is Hive just doesn't have the critical mass to guarantee that your interests will be shared by a significant number of people.
Of course, this assumes most people of Hive upvote like I do. That is, I upvote and comment on things that I like and/or interest me. To be sure, it can still be a challenge to find those things on Hive.
I realize that autovotes, whales voting for friends, etc. affects all of this but I guess I consider that an alternate path and obtaining those kinds of votes is more work than fun. Building a following of people interested in the content you produce can be a slow process. Especially on Hive where the user base isn't exactly skyrocketing at the moment. Engagement on some place like Facebook is going to be much higher right now because there are so many more people there. Until Hive gets significantly more users, that won't change.
Facebook though, will be more genuine because there is no money involved. Here, you get "friends" based on the power of your votes most of the time. Statistically, you get more engagement on your posts if your wallet is "handsome". And there are many comments that are incredibly generic to confirm it.
I don't know... I mean there are certainly some of those spammy comments on hive but they tend to be self limiting because 1) they don't achieve the desired affect and 2) they are likely to lead to downvotes, especially when left on whale accounts. And Facebook has its own problems with spam though it takes a slightly different form.
Also, while whale accounts may attract more comments statistically, that's true on places like Facebook and Youtube as well. The more popular you are, the bigger the audience you have...the bigger your audience, the bigger your account is likely to get (though that doesn't necessarily translate into money on Facebook...it certainly does on youtube though).
Facebook's advantage isn't in being more "genuine"...it's just in having orders of magnitude more users. That isn't likely to change quickly.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
That's kind of what I've said over the last few months this "Work hard...." is subjective. I feel I work hard but as you said. Probably nobody likes what I post. They do on Social Media though. 🤣🤣🤣
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