But why did you only highlight the first two bullets points of the definition? It's literally the fourth bullet point in your article lol
to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
Said another way, to copy from one source and paste it in another, or to pretend that old content is new.
Regardless, I've been thinking about this situation for a few days now and it doesn't matter whether the behavior is plagiarism or not. This is a community run chain, and if the community doesn't like a particular behavior then they have the right to speak out and/or take action. We are essentially policing ourselves here. Many are okay with cross posting, but a very large portion of the community doesn't like it when it involves Steem because of the history there. Some dont really care and some look the other way in those circumstances. But when it comes to any behavior that is precieved as raping the reward pool - most people on Hive do care and they don't like it. There are a lot of behaviors that are perceived that way: Churning content and abusing autovotes to name two. I think if a person engages in those behaviors it becomes a "proceed with caution" scenario because there might be backlash, which is exactly the case in of what happened here.
To be honest, because I didn't notice it.
And I personally disagree. I think if it is my own content I can publish it whenever I like and wherever I want. If you publish my content it is plagiarism.
But you have a point that if I refer to that I link the fourth point comes closer to what we are discussing here in this case.
Well, I think it depends on, if one presents something (especially if it is a product or if one writes about science) as new if it isn't. Then that's probematic. I would mention my old post and refer to it in such a case.
I think HIVE is way to centralized to speak of "the community" when rather often a few whales overrule the upvotes of hundreds of smaller users.
Actually I think a very "large portion" (most splinterlands players for example) doesn't care, but especially the "top witnesses" react very sensitive.
Yes ... if smaller users are doing that.
At least when I was still active here some "top witnesses", for example former bid bot owner @themaximizermark, posted a very short shit post nearly every day and got hundreds of auto votes. As long as certain whales (or delegatees from whales) are too big to be punished for the same behaviour they themselves condemn, I see it very critical to "police" other users.
I'm certainly not an expert on plagiarism, especially when it comes to things like social media and "low stakes" endeavors. Things are obviously much more strict and regimented when it involves academics, research and paid publishing, which was where my biases were at the begining of this thread but aren't so much anymore.
I agree that a big portion doesn't care. There are people on both sides or the arguement. But in this case it's the people who do care that one needs to worry about if they engage in the behavior, as we have seen by their actions. If witnesses are perceived as being sensitive to the subject, that makes some sense to me since they have one of the biggest stakes in wanting the platform to be successful (not all of them, but many). Steemit failed and turned into a dogshit platform because of the rampant abuse on it, and people who want Hive to be successful don't want it to turn into another steemit so they are cracking down on said abuse.
Regarding your last comment: I agree that it is unfortunate that some big whales, some witnesses, and some people who have been on the platform for a long time also engage in these types of behaviors. I personally don't see that as a reason to also engage in the same behaviors myself though. I'm not saying that is what you are arguing or anything, I'm just giving my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks for discussing in a friendly, sophisticated way.
I wonder if you possibly might confuse things a little bit here?
Yes, I agree that in average big stakeholders naturally care more about their investment than smaller stakeholders, because they have more stake at risk and invested more (in case they aren't just early miners or former bid bot owners!).
And even if some of them act amazingliy short sighted and selfish instead of being long term orientated, in general I understand why they might react more sensitive on abuse (at least abuse commited by others not by themselves) which they think might lower the value of the blockchain, the platform, the currency HIVE.
However, I personally don't consider posting a good STEEM post on HIVE as abuse. Even if you disagree (which is fine with me), in this case their sensitivity has nothing to do with the wish to protect their stakes, but is simply the consequence of personal involvement and frustration. Yes, I can understand their anger (I know the whole story, I am here since 2016, and I think that neither Justin Sun nor the HIVE witnesses made a good figure during the conflict), but being angry on anybody shouldn't be a reason to force anybody else to be angry, too, and act accordingly. :) In my opinion their personal conflict with Justin Sun shouldn't lead to stricter measures against users who repost STEEM posts than for example against users who repost Instagram posts.
To be clear, I think STEEM is completely lost (you mentioned some reasons), but that's not the point here in my opinion.
Well, of course not.
It's just ... if smaller users abuse the platform there is still some hope to solve the problem ... if the biggest ones are doing it (while at the same time fighting relentlessly against smaller, and often new and inexperienced users) then there remains not much to hope anymore from my side.
Well, I am a Splinterlands whale now (and withdrew about 400 k HIVE), a community which is much more decentralized than HIVE itself, due to many different, rather big stakeholders who act independently from each other, so that this typical HIVE oligarchy feeling doesn't exist.
I was thinking the same thing haha 😄
That's fair I think. To be honest, I don't know how I feel about it. I've abandoned Steem entirely at this point. One concern for me would be that if we want Hive to be a quality platform that people turn to for information and entertainment then we may not want any association with steem at all because if they are viewed as the same in any way then steems negative reputation will ultimately affect and cheapen Hive. If the same content is on both platforms then it compounds the situation as well, people will likely see them as the same, at least to an extent.
I think I can agree with that. I can't speak about the actions of others but I can understand that people who were screwed over by Steem may hold a scorched earth policy towards it and may use their power to hurt it in any way they can, even if those actions hurt users of Hive. I'm not saying that I agree with it entirely just that I understand it.
I don't know from first hand experience if this is actually happening but Yeah, I can agree that hypocritical and double standard-like behavior isn't great. If a person is abusing a platform and at the same time condemning others for doing the same thing, that isn't great.
That's awesome that you are a splinterlands whale now. Good for you! I actually don't know much about splinterlands but definitely feel like I missed the boat with it. Haha
In my last real post in 2020 you can find my point of view, but on the other side: as long as you are happy and satisfied on HIVE I see no reason to spoil your user experience. So just enjoy posting!
I am 'hibernating' and may or may not come back - just let's see what future brings.
I admit that considered from a technological point of view HIVE is very advanced compared to all current concurrents (but also the planned social networks on Cardano and Solana will be interesting).
I never really cared about these classifications but considering that I am currently ranked 9th concerning collection power, I guess this term isn't inappropriate.
Yes, of course it would have been an advantage to join before July/August 2021 after which card prices rose a lot, but I think it might still not to be too late.