None of these things happened because people were yelling on Twitter. Do you actually think these big ass billion dollar companies give two shits about randoms dragging them on Twitter? They don't.
They are looking for a serious, dependable and professional point of contact that isn't going to waste their time and can actually deliver results. Everyone with DIRECT knowledge of all the happenings validates or communicates their agreement via votes that Justine was instrumental in that.
Do you think they're all just Simps? That they like to burn money? That they're stupid?
I think that like me, they probably recognize that we need serious, smart, dependable people that can actually get meaningful work done that produces results. That is valuable, and is exactly the RIGHT use of the HDF.
I don't agree with the idea that the Twitter campaign was meaningless. Not in the slightest. But I'm not trying to diminish the work of the people in contact with them.
I never said meaningless. I’m sure it was a contributing factor, but I imagine I just weight it a lot lower than others.
It would be an error to compare the importance of the two, if both were required.
I'm almost certain that that without the Twitter campaigns nothing would've happened. Steem would've remained under the thumb of Justin Sun and the world would never have heard the truth. Hive would've gone the way of Weku.
I don’t think it’s all that productive either, but that’s because we’re both operating on pure speculation. There were people that were DIRECTLY involved and have first hand, non speculative information about how the events unfolded and those people, in large part, if not unanimously support this proposal.
Everyone should vote or act with what they feel is right and it’ll be what it is. As I said before, that’s DPOS being DPOS.
I wouldn't discount the significance of the Twitter storm as being merely speculative. PR is hugely important for businesses like cryptocurrency exchanges that rely on trust. If trust is goes away, they stand to lose large sums of money.
What I mean is that our determination of the impact is speculative as opposed to objective. I THINK it had x impact and someone else THINKS it had y impact. None of us are forming these opinions on objective information, so it’s not really worth arguing about as no one can prove that the thing that they think is absolutely the right thing.
The other variable that we can use to make a determination is the first hand accounts of people involved.
It’s not lost on me that I instigated the debate on the efficacy of a Twitter campaign, but too large a focus on that is derailing the larger point.
You know what else is speculative? Whether or not those exchanges would've listed us in the first place if it weren't for the massive publicity brought about by the community making so much noise.
so they stopped voting for witnesses on steem because someone send a nice "would you please stop it is not nice" email and not because all of that bad tweeter press they got?
damn, all that community can do everything, we did a great job, hooray for the community was a lie :( so that thousands of tweets was all for nothing, i should have wrote them on steem and hive, at least it would not be all waste of time.
I don’t think that was what he was saying. The community is amazing, but actively tweeting and contributing to spreading the word is very different than what my work describes. That doesn’t take away from others work, it was just a different aspect.
These individuals also, as far as I know, were rewarded through upvotes for some of these contributions.. again different than my part I covered.
So, not really taking away from what was done by the community in the slightest.
never mentioned you, nor the proposal you did. i could argue about the money, but this is global network, here you can buy a house with a big yard and garden, somewhere else it is paycheck for few months... what i was commenting and i seen it from few different people is this attitude
i never even said that it was your intention to take credit for things, just that it feels shitty to see that kind of comments, because i know how much time i spend on tweeter and on steem in that period and i had no reason to do that except to help (we can agree that 600$ (steem i owned at the time) in my wallet is a funny sum to spend days on something). also had no reason to tweet or comment on steem to try to defend darthknight (and for sure damage my ability to earn steem) except because idiots annoy me and there was a lot of idiots there...
It was a nice day today after 50+ days literally not seeing people, and two posts on hive made it kinda shitty...
Ah yes I understand the frustration and was just responding as this post is about me and so was Midlets comment. I think our community is amazing and am no way trying to take away from that.
Good point man. It's not just one entity that made this possible, or just a few. Maybe some have put more efforts than others but it was still a collective effort.
i wrote this because i seen on few posts/comments that now all that community work was not really important. someone should just told us that 2 months ago. my stake here is funny, i literately had nothing to gain by what i did, i thought i was helping, i am not really sure why did i care to help.
Maybe because Idiots annoy me and there was a fair share of idiots.
I am rumbling, and i should do something smarter, something that earns me a living.
Yes. That is precisely what they care about. In a unregulated industry the word of mouth is king. Twitter hype is what moves token prices and can hurt business. Thats why CZ and everyone else was quick to back down.
What we did on twitter and social media is exactly why any of this happened. Its why the biggest names in crypto talked about us, why media picked it up.
Had it not been for the community no one would care to even mention it.
The outrage was "proof of community". Because we cared, that meant it was important to report on.
If they vote to give Justine 30 thousand dollars then yes, i think theyre stupid.
Yes, agreed. I vote she gets 200k USD instead.
Reasonable points here by you and others, and while I'm sure what I said is not what people would want to hear about the effectiveness of Twitter noise, it's what I believe.
I'm not saying it had no impact/effect on the final outcome, but I do think the greatest contributing factors happened behind the scenes.
Since everyone here is making a judgment based on information without hard objective evidence we all have to use our best judgment as individuals. That's DPOS doing DPOS.
It's fairly obvious to me that he Twitter campaign was crucial but that it took people to negotiate with them and persuade them to list us without the usual fees and despite whatever bullshit stood in the way.
maybe he was lying, or maybe he was part of the team, i don't know, don't have the inside information.
It's good to know this... maybe next time something happens Hiveians on twitter won't do anything, we will just let binance keep going with the hostile takeover, let Huobi keep going with the hostile takeover, if Vitalik asks we will just say it's no big deal, I won't try to push Etherians, VeChaineres and EOSians into the mix, Andreas won't know anything about it because of all our tweets, none of us will congratulate when exchanges join us on the fight, damn, not sure why I spent weeks tweeting only about Steem and trying to bring more attention to a hostile takeover AKA 51% attack done by Justin Sun... Should have just posted it on Steem like hundreds of others did and get a few bucks out of the whole thing...
It's good to know that we had no part in the listings or in the fighting...