They? Who's they? Do you mean 'us'?
Let's not do the division thing here. Try to work together. Keep in mind, I was gone for a few months so in that time I'm not sure what progress had been made to remedy the seemingly endless trending page hysteria.
No clue who they is. Usually blockchain decisions are on the blockchain. Some powerful accounts that moved over and supported the move I guess.
You do have a good point of ending the division. I do suspect there will be much less here. We have a brighter future, but silent compliance means suppression not unity. The millions of Chinese soldiers who helped the communist party were enthusiastic volunteers after all.
I'm only suggesting the content gets sorted. Everyone still gets their money and visibility. Just trying to open some doors for a vast portion of this community. That's all.
By 'internal memos' I just meant little announcements that would only appeal or make sense to a small group of people within the community. I think I missed a joke there. It happens.
clayop did some interesting analysis on trending of hive and steemit only 6 days in. He noticed more engagement on Hive and wants to consider making a better rep system.
Also slq is up, so asher will be back to measuring engagement.
To say we aren't headed in a better direction with more communication would be silly. I know the foundation regularly created attendee lists and MOM.
I think my point is some things are best left centralized and opaque.
Money and visibility is good for all. I am hoping visibility come first and bith are well deserved.
Well I'm certainly not attempting to halt communication. There could be a lot more if it had a place. People simply stop looking at the trending page once it's overrun with what I had mentioned, and then a lot of the important messages don't get read. Then people are angry they weren't informed.
Currently I don't mind seeing all the rapid recent developments taking center stage. I think it's great, and it's kinda fun to show off.
In the future once more curation is happening and things settle, these messages will get lost. I think it's wise to eventually give this stuff an important home, plus give the content producers a platform they can thrive on. Shooting for one of those win wins here.
You'd be among the last I'd accuse of trying to halt reasoned and sincere conversation.
I just don't bother checking trending. I follow who I want because I like their work or the quality of they promote. Besides I follow a few people who are good at getting the news. Decentralization of media is important.
The trending page is fine now. Hive developments, new dapps, news etc should be most important for now. It's new, exciting amd important. It's also the best time to be paying attention and mentioning important ideas, before they are burried.
We all want a winwin and I think we are well on your way to get it.
I'm interested in this important home you mention. There are already people linking links and even artists telling the story. Perhaps we will see a magnum opus "the birth of a real decentralized social network". It's happening now so its too soon to tell the story, best observe or try to be an active part.
I agree with the new and exciting stuff. But you just said:
That's common, so the news isn't read and that content producer who did something incredible doesn't gain the advantages trending status is meant to provide. Don't you find it odd someone you never heard of is trending, the post is great, and there are no comments under the post? That should be their busiest day. Should be gaining more followers. Seeing more votes from people who don't normally vote on their work.
We need to build trust in the trending page again. Much of that trust was lost after the bidbot disaster. Now folks can do well and nobody even notices, or people see money beside a post and assume it's trash for some screwed up reason, and won't even look, because it's trending and trending has a bad name. That's ridiculous and I hope it changes. It sucks being treated poorly for doing well. Blocktrades and those involved are kicking ass, all while some folks are only looking at the superficial element of a simple post with an image and two sentences. Give that stuff a home, it doesn't get buried, it gets seen, and doesn't leave such a huge dent in the reward pool. But again, these days I'm fine with it, it's fun showing off, but in the future I won't tolerate it. There has to be a better way and it has to benefit everyone as equally as possible. Working together not stepping on toes.
I actually agree with you and as someone who has spent most of my time here trying it showcase content that will attract outside eyes, in - I totally get where you are coming from.
This part though is a bit unfair -
As much of the “news” sometimes is a way for stakeholders to reward contributions (or it has been in the past). Some of these contributions are pretty vital and help everyone, including content producers. Now perhaps that needs to change and these contributions should be handled differently and we can work towards that.
What I do think is that our tools in the past have sucked ass and there is no reason we should all be required to see the same stuff. Imo there shouldn’t be one “trending” really.. we should have the tools that allow content discovery that highlights content producers, gets them more eyes, and brings eyes in.
Some of those outside eyes want to read about Hive and crypto, some want to look at art and photography.. or read a rant by one of their favorite entertainers.
The issue is that in the past it’s all just be thrown into one place.. I mean if I’m scrolling on Instagram looking at portraits, a damn post about crypto popping in that feed would be odd and vice versa.
We need better tools. We need better UI/UX and we need to showcase the content we have here in a way that is easily digestible and draws in an audience. Good news is.. we can do that! Just have to be patient and work together. Honestly we are closer than we have ever been imo.
I've never understood the people who get to trending and don't comment, especially with blogs and the way things work now. To me it's exciting. Okay, maybe if you are a celebrity and have a social media manager or bot sending selfies to everyone who comments on your stuff :)
I'm not sure if 'all' (or '.' for the computer nerds out there) is a good search term. One thing that came up when the Koreans were first making their demands as 'subscriptions' no one clarified it, but I do think SMT would make this possible somehow. I'm not sure how it can be envisioned, but we did have a nice conversation the other day on the eventual and desperate need for consumers. I'd probably vote for something that fixes trending or develops subscriptions. Tips are okay, but it's very basic and won't draw in many big names.
That said I'm so glad the bidbots are gone. I do wonder will they dare to ask in a couple of months? I wouldn't be surprised, but I'll shut that down quickly. I already found a few scumbags on Hive and noticed I'm not the only one. We are already on the right track for finding abusers.
I think it would be neat if someone could come up with a completely different system for giving rewards. Some people ask really good questions and promise upvotes, but I'm sure if we are creative we can find even better ways to do it. As long as it isn't like those scummy campaigns from when airdrops were huge (get 100 hive if you spam other social media relentlessly for the next month).
I think even giving someone who is already proven to be good at getting discussions going 1000 Hive a week to hand out in tips and prizes for contests on various social media (it must link their hive post) would be great.
Try to get some people who don't mind to show their faces and their families too, let them know there are real people and not just bots here.
We have tons of talent, but too often I just see meme contests, these appeal to a very select few. I'm sure we have a ton of people who could do promotion and I remember seeing something to onboard for 100SBD a day. It seems like the smallest marketing budget in the world. I guess we gotta make it worth visiting first. And at the very least wait for the drama to cool down a bit.
It's gonna take 4 months or so for most of the drama from people powering up and down to settle...and a lot of people with too much time on their hands because of quarantine.