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RE: ⚠️ The Unfriendlies of Hive: Abuse & Unfriendliness are signs That Hive is NOT as healthy as we thought.

in #hive3 years ago (edited)

So they have their financial and operational proposal, it is very broad in language. It's why I would create an alternative proposal with detailed protocol and jurisdictional scopes defined, this would obviously take time to create, but it creates an operational, procedural, and intellectual backbone to the objections made so that we can have reform. It seems @guiltyparties is open to such a proposed procedural document (which is great) and I think other witnesses and prominent members of the various communities that are powered by Hive would be open to re-thinking things, unless they are looking to maintain a cartel.

There are several in their sphere who give up the game (figuratively speaking) that it is about making sure HIVE doesn't get in the "wrong hands" and protecting their ownership stakes, which can turn into a very ugly situation. Actions that are against Hive overall ToS vs. the rules of a few looking to protect their own interests is one part of the issue.

Deeming the creation of multiple targeted accounts problematic is a scaling issue for Hive (what is considered valuable to those in a particular community may not be for a few). Let's consider the possibility of corporate media organizations who may wish to join and assign accounts to their individually owned affiliates/entities that they own and operate on the local level. Would they be considered "scammers"? Is Hivewatchers going to go off the rails calling Sinclair Media/Meredith Corporation/Tegna/Vox/Tribune a scammer? Is there a faster way to watch this all fall apart than that scenario? They can freely operate on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc., but they may want to come here and be a part of this and there is nothing that expressly prohibits them from operating here like they do on those other platforms, but there are interests here that would seemingly oppose this based on their established behavior and would go out of their way to defame and hide their content.

Another issue is potential for abuse of power given the centralization of it. It opens up the door for extortion, retaliation, heavy shorting, PR nightmares, and other issues that may come from this centralization of power. One person acts poorly, maybe they ask for a sexually compromising image of a female Hive user from a country that has far less opportunity in exchange for removal from a blacklist. That female Hive user needs the HIVE to survive and resorted to begging in appeals on Discord with this self-appointed authority and this is a possible penance. You don't think that something like this won't happen? You think someone won't whistleblow? Do you want to prevent something like this from happening? I know I do.

We need Standard Operating Procedures and operational requirements for tribes and apps so that they can manage themselves. We don't settle disputes on Discord, we handle it here because we should "eat our own dog food."

I am invested in the overall concept of the Hive blockchain, I aim to create my own dApp, token, and tribe. I want to convert traditional sports message board users to come here, it's in my development road map and now I see existential problems that can be damaging.

Tribes/communities/dApps could choose to be stricter on content quality without having to turn to OCD (which is a centralized effort even though 'Decentralized' is in the name). I know I would, but that's just a sample size of ONE. If I saw the type of content I see commonly in OCD in my tribe, it would get a downvote because I just have different expectations. I would have a full set of expectations published for my tribe. The beauty of decentralization is that we can all have different standards and approaches.

I would be honored to draft a new standard operating procedure, it will take time, but it matters. I appreciate feedback and discussing revisions to it.

On a side note to all reading this (Wil this entire message is not directed solely to you):

I am very transparent about the way I operate. I syndicate my content to Hive and I have presently 30 other accounts that ARE DEDICATED to covering individual MLB teams, I put in a lot of work to improving content and ensuring that readers get their daily digest of their favorite teams and I syndicate previews of highlighted sporting events. (We happen to be in a bit of a dead period because it is the MLB All-Star Break.) I am going to be expanding into College Sports, many in the DunkSocial community are very excited about this because they will get College Basketball coverage that they were not getting before.

I made the mistake of not testing a new piece of code a few days ago and my intentions of staggering out posts across all properties turn into one massive spray, which was definitely not my intent. I know very well that I am not going to get interactions if I send everything out in one shot. Staggering out posts makes more sense from an engagement perspective and I thought that the code I wrote was going to do that. I made an indentation error and my program did not do what I intended at all, this error was fixed and now it is operating as intended.

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"Deeming the creation of multiple targeted accounts problematic is a scaling issue for Hive..................."

I still wouldn't say I like multiple accounts even though people have demonstrated legitimate reasons for it. I kind of see it like doing the lottery. The more tickets you have, the more chances you have of winning, so I can't get the idea of "Fleecing the system" out of my head. Given there's not a never-ending supply of Hive (for the minute?), that's another factor in my dislike of the practice.

"Another issue is potential for abuse of power given the centralization of it. It opens up the door for extortion, retaliation, heavy shorting, PR nightmares, and other issues that may come from this centralization of power. One person acts poorly, maybe they ask for a sexually compromising image of a female Hive user from a country that has far less opportunity in exchange for removal from a blacklist. That female Hive user needs the HIVE to survive and resorted to begging in appeals on Discord with this self-appointed authority and this is a possible penance. You don't think that something like this won't happen? You think someone won't whistleblow? Do you want to prevent something like this from happening? I know I do."

You have me nodding like a demented loon! And the best of it is, it seems to me that some of the individuals are self-appointed. Nobody voted them in or said, "Of course you can walk through the Blockchain streets and accuse whoever you like without any redress while your victim, of course, only has one course of action, and that's appealing to you!" Nice work if you can get it.

I've never understood this "Begging on Discord"? If I had an overactive imagination, I would say there was a reason for it: The accusation was made on Public Domain, Hive, where pretty much everyone can see, make a comment and follow the 'incident' to a conclusion. I would argue 95% of the Hive community do not use Discord, wouldn't have a clue how to get on there or what to do if they did manage to get as far as the court of the Crimson King. And what is this court of appeal? I'd argue it's a channel populated by friends and supporters of the channel owner where I should think there's little chance of leaving without losing an eye and supporting a broken arm. Talk about being thrown into the bear pit! But of course, that's just my overactive imagination. 😉

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Thank you for taking the time to provide this very in depth and constructive comment! I’m very glad that there are people thinking carefully about how things are going on this blockchain and how they will incorporate Hive into the development of new and exciting ways to implement it. Your careful analyses is what’s needed right now... and I wish/hope that there are more people working on making the Hive Blockchain a better place. You and I are alike in that we both desire to make Hive a destination. I want people to feel as those they have finally arrived... that’s how I originally felt when I became a member of the Hive community. I felt so confident that I shuttered my FB account and began investing both Bitcoin and time into Hive. It’s been quite awhile now since I began this adventure and I’m still excited... although a little concerned by the level of thinking I’m encountering recently. It’s rigged, and small minded in its scale and will not be what’s needed to propel Hive to where it. Reds to be as a successfulcrypto project.

I’m going to give this comment a read through a couple times. You have some real depth here in your comment and I FULLY appreciate that.

Thank you again for adding your voice to this open discussion:

@wil.metcalfe