Make sure to explain the difference between receiving disbursements as compensation for services and being paid to folks that care. I see these funds were disbursed to you as pay for the listed services. I see you claiming it's not pay, that you didn't perform the services Valueplan says it paid you for.
Imagine my incredulity.
Nowhere does it say Valueplan paid me for any service. It says that its money for the stuff listed in the memo.
If it was payment for a service from me, it would say it was payment for a service from me.
Omg, you genuinely believe that all that money went to me personally? 🤣🤣🤣
Not even 1 cent did. I actually lost a 100 bucks on the last funds i received because I had to hurry and pay for the conference and I lost 1700 USD on the conversion that I covered from selling my own tokens that then pumped before I got the money back.
Are you seriously this deluded thinking that Valueplan would simply give me money.
I wonder how the fucking hell anyone can imagine that you didn't get a big chunk of those $68,998.85 as "payment of personal fees" when it is not clearly specified in the memo that way?
¿Do you suppose people have to be soothsayers?
What you and Valueplan have to do is show to the community each and every receipt of what those funds were spent on, and see how much of those $69k was missing or how much was surplus and how many of those funds were reimbursed and only then we can be able to confirm whether it is true that not a single cent of those funds went to end up to your own pocket/wallet as you exclaim.
Obviously everyone would feel this deluded unless you or Valueplan show the receipts and prove otherwise.
What is perfectly clear is that Valueplan sent $69k directly to your personal wallet and we still don't know how much, in what and how it was invested/wasted.
When you buy stuff there do you get a receipt?
Of course. You always get a receipt. What you may not always get is a formal invoice unless you ask for one. But a receipt is always there, especially when you pay by card.
Is there some kind of threat receipts present there, some security risk?
I'm not quite sure to understand what you mean by threat receipts?
But nope, there is no such thing here. At the very least, you will always are gonna get the simple receipt issued by the points of sale every time you pay through debit or credit card large sums of money. For trivial and cheap stuff that you can pay with cash, probably you won't get any sort of receipt unless you ask for one.
Is there some kind of threat that receipts create to either the businesses that provide them or the people that receive them with their purchases? That's what I meant.
So, for purchases of more than $100 you would get a receipt every time?
To be honest, some of the things that valued-customer points out - sound totally reasonable and plausible - for a random reader that just shows up, has no idea about the plot&history&origins, reads (sic!) what one or other side writes now, and well, yeah, that transfer to that account definitely can look like - a transfer to that account. Money sent, money received, why/when/what happens next is kinda secondary ... to an ignorant reader.
I can totally understand how someone can be angry, or at least, have their curiosity piqued, seeing this transfer.
But after actually reading what you wrote.. Yeah, I see your point too. I was there too. I mean, in this kind of situations. I was accused by neighoburs of defrauding money that were pooled up for a shared goal, while in fact it was all spent, and I still had a little box with cents and dimes of change left after, and I also silently added some cash to the pool "for the good of all". My personal time and literal manual labor (that they all saw) spent on that not even counted in as a "cost" of the project. And in the result and had to fight off accusations for a few weeks, because angry mob grew faster than one me explaining and countering arguments. I bet some of them still remember me as a fraud despite whatever proofs I showed them.
Fun fact - my dad had exactly the same thing, with their parents, 15-20 years earlier. At least twice, in two separate projects to improve residential infrastructure around us.
Seems times change, people change, but people's mentality doesn't, eh?
One thing that I learned from that is, if you ever receive any funds and perform anything for "charity", "common good", or whatever similar, have a goddamn blunt clear invoices for everything. If you care about your own "reputation" that is.
If "angry mob" gathers, won't look at them, because it's not the point. The point is to be angry and to have a target and to meet in a crowd or to feel included with a group.
Have it all gathered, catagorized, tallied up in a spreadsheet. Over half of the complainers won't read anything other than final in-out amounts, if they even take a look at all. Post it in public and tell it's all there, that they can inspect and check, and that they can sue you if they want, because it's all good.
Now magically complaints disappear. Everyone assumes "others were angry, they will check". And probably noone does. Or if someone does, does it really good, revealing all the holes in what I/you/one thought was transparent and clear. Eh.
OTOH, heh, I think I'm still a bit grumpy about that event after all those years :) But I think if back then I really did what I just wrote, I'd have much less problems. But then, with the amount of work I have already spent, I'm not sure I'd be willing to add more work to improve the documentation&transparency just in case someone might question something.. but in turn, doing so, might jsut be the reasonable self-preservation instict
Receipts would really answer the questions. What makes me angry is both of them refuse to provide any such receipts.
Then they call me names and say I'm a conspiracy theorist.
Sounds like they're concealing fraud to me. As you point out, it would be easy enough to prove they aren't, and that's all I have asked for them to do.
If only all projects would be as transparen as we are.
We used a seperate account for funds so it's fast to find and see and you don't have to look for a transaction for a month and also posted all the receipts in our posts.
Like here in this article we showed what we paid and there are more receipts in other of our articles: https://ecency.com/hive-186377/@cbrsphilanthropy/helping-a-school-in-venezuela-272130e9293f
Indeed, the linked post was thorough and clearly explained what funds came in and how they were spent. The work was carefully detailed, and documented with pictures showing progress. It is exemplary of how all the questions Valueplan is failing to answer would never need to be asked. Valueplan should use your post as a template for all their projects going forward.
I commend you on your diligence, hard work, and impeccable integrity achieving this benefit to the students you will enable to learn how to themselves benefit their communities their entire lives.
Great work!
After telling me:
So, you're telling me they just gave you money, but that I'm deluded for believing you when you tell me they just gave you money personally, but that you didn't even receive 1 cent personally.
You received all that money personally, in your personal wallet. You originally claimed you were paid for organizing Hivefest, but now you're saying you lost $100. Are you surprised that these contradictory claims aren't credible? What would you think reading them?
Considering I actually can think, it would be very clear to me.
Receiving the funds to pay for stuff thats listed in the memo and getting paid for stuff personally are two very different things.
You do seem to be thinking on your feet here. I've got to hand you that. Despite your contradictory statements, and occasional ad hominems flung at me, you demonstrate a capacious ability to switch stories rapidly, and with great conviction.
However, I see that you are claiming you personally received that money and then paid it to others, so I'm looking. We'll see if you did or not. Instead of just stating that out front, you said you never got paid any money personally, despite ~70k being sent to your account.
You could just be an inchoate, lying asshole instead of a thief, but I'll never find that out from anything you say. Just talking about you talking is confusing. I'll have to see if ~70k was disbursed from your account last month.
You are literally an insane person, my god.
Im done here.
Run out of insults? You certainly didn't provide any clarity regarding the massive expenditures of funds you are receiving. All you have done is reveal your lack of integrity and good character by flaming me for daring to ask you what you did with our money.
You see the DHF doesn't belong to you, and it doesn't belong to the whales, or just to the voters on proposals. It belongs to Hive, to the whole community, so if it's being stolen by you, or anyone else, you're stealing from the whole community, and we have a right to demand to know exactly what you're spending and what you're spending it on.
You remind me of the guy that stole my cellphone, and I'm sure everyone can remember similar incidents they've experienced when some thief proclaims they're as pure as the driven snow and only a psycho conspiracy theorist would ever even suspect them of theft, which is all you've done.
You and the well named @guiltyparties are doing exactly what every thief caught with their hand in the cookie jar does, which is anything but provide receipts that prove their innocence.
And that's all you'd have to do to prove you're not a thief, a liar, and a fraud. But you'd rather rant and spew vitriol instead of simply providing proof you didn't steal a thing.
Just because you don't answer my questions here doesn't mean you won't have to answer questions. I'm a lot less trouble than some other folks that will be wanting to know what's happened to Hive's development fund that you have been spending tens of thousands of dollars worth monthly. But, not answering me was your choice.
You made the bed you'll be lying in, since you're done lying on my blog.
Heard tht mic drop from here. LoL nice.
Ok, so I looked. I don't see any payments to any photographers, or to any event host.
What did you do with the money?
You're misreading what he's saying. He's saying his role is to take the funds and pay them to a vendor. If he gets a transfer that reads "photography" in the memo, that doesn't mean he's the photographer. He is the person who takes that money and pays the photographer. Same goes for Hive merch. He's not sitting there sewing shirts, he's buying them and paying the manufacturer. He's a volunteer, like all the others.
He didn't say that out front. It took him hours and hours to grudgingly get around to saying that. What he said originally was that he didn't get paid, and lo and behold there's ~70k paid into his account.
What a fucking clusterfuck. You assholes are going to get the State Department seizing the DHF if you don't start following some rational accounting procedures. Then you can beg them to look at receipts while wearing an orange jumpsuit in Gitmo.
Optimistically assuming noone's lying, and that it's just people everywhere, not every one has a great skill in using perfect style and wording straight off the first post.. I can totally see how he could say "I wasnt paid" and how it was not, in fact, lie.
It always amused me, how much stuff people are doing wihtout proper documentation proving/backing it all up, just riding on a belief that days/weeks/months later people will just believe them for word that it was all good. But on the other hand, "proper accounting" is only good if you ever have a "proper auditor" verifying that. "Normal people" won't dive in, or even will end up with wrong conclusions. I don't know how to all-encompasing trasparent view into the moneyflows and actual work done. In a few places on the network I saw people doing extensive reportage/coverage, photography, invoice scans, but looks like there's usually a separate person/team needed to do that while the actual team does the actual work. I'd love to leave a constructive thought here, but I'm out of idea how to provide both a decent sufficient at-glance and in-depth coverage easily with no crippling effort..
I spend thousands of dollars of other people's money all the time. I get receipts. It's a simple way to never have these problems, for my clients to know I never stole their money.
I've never faced this kind of refusal to document expenditures of other people's money without there having been fraud. People that didn't steal showed proof they didn't steal. People that weasel around it, deny there's any reason to suspect them of theft, well, they're always thieves.
God bless you for this thread...
it really speaks volumes about hive and the fact that it's a shitcoin run by a few who really believe in themselves... Come to BLURT and bring some friends.