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RE: Mustang - Part IV

in #life5 years ago

Animals that merely herd or group in packs do not reach their full expression outside their social group, but they do not die. You can easily find rogue horses, cattle, wolves, and etc. Eusocial animals aren't capable of surviving on their own. Bees, ants, and wasps that are eusocial are never found living alone. People are in the former group, not the latter.

Further, as you seem to hint at, people aren't merely animals, being endowed with the faculty of reason.

Finally, property pre-existed the state. Therefore your claim that property is a privilege granted by the state is false, and all further claims based on that one therefore must be false as well. Fish, octopi, and dogs can have property. You can find plenty of nature shows where they fight over it. Humans fight over property too, and that is why we invented the state, to enable protection of private property and prevent mere might makes right from being the state of the law.

This has resulted in the concept of property being well advanced in nations with states, which the American natives did not have. What they refer to as property and seek via litigation today was not so defined prior to their absorption into the Western civilization they are now part of.

Since every point you sought to base your conclusion on is factually incorrect, your conclusion is also factually incorrect. The entire premise of the totalitarian bootlicking you advocate is revealed to be contrary to the interests and beliefs of nearly all of humanity, reason, and fact. Indeed, these things you advocate are exactly how government was used to kill 200 million people in the 20th Century.

You will be well pleased by the UN Agenda 21, which proposes killing off 6.5 billion more of us, to improve the quality of the property the state seeks to transfer to overlords.

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If you want to live like the stray rejects of a pack, then any one can choose to live in some abandoned, backwoods hole without any state protection, eking out subsistence-level livelihood without the need for some "revolution." I seem to recall some deluded libertarian fool who attempted to create his own state off the coast of Thailand; got himself killed for his "right" to exercise "sovereign individuality." There is no such thing as property without the sociopolitical infrastructure as provided by the state, or the crown, institution.

In nature, there exists only force and will. Beasts don't recognise property; they only recognise force, a condition towards which your libertarian lunacy will propel the remnant civilisation of the West. There is no such concept as "theft" in nature, for the strong take what they can and the weak suffer what they must. What you advocate is a collection of fragmented rejects waiting to be killed or enslaved by pirates and mafia. That the state provides protection and legal previleges to its subjects, so that prosperity can arise from order is lost to those blinded by their egotism. Everything the libertarians claim as their "property" and "rights" are built upon the previleges granted by their betters.

20th century humanist killings were direct results of malcontent revolutionary elements, convincing the muck to rebel against their betters, who have granted them their very lives. That these ungrateful muck, having bitten-off the very hands that fed them and protected them, died in mass numbers in famine and war is an illustration of divine punishment. Totalitarian hell is the consequence of freedom run amock, where men are "freed" from all obligations, duty, and restraint. The only good revolutionaries are the ones buried in unmarked mass graves.

A spacefaring lifeform is no mere beast. What I observe happening, not propose, is the advance of civilization and society beyond the brutal natural law of tooth and fang the state is the ultimate expression of.

"...any one can choose to live in some abandoned, backwoods hole without any state protection..."

Ah, such a generous, if time limited, offer. You seem to need to misrepresent perennially the facts I discuss. I have never even discussed abandoning human society, and skulking in dens like rogue wolves. I relate the ongoing advance of civilization and the upregulation of society to better enable we men to live free and well.

As you incessantly reveal, the state will never do any such thing, intent instead of the reduction of humanity to domestic chattel devoid of any ability to hope and dream, to invent or expand civilization or society beyond the confines of the corral vampiric overlords impose to parasitize our production.

Finally you blatantly and provably lie about the murderous genocidal nature of government. It was Bolsheviks that prosecuted the Holodomor, the starvation to death of tens of millions of Ukrainian men, women, and children. It was the CCP and Mao himself that undertook the Great Leap Forward, that starved to death or murdered ~50 million.

Totalitarian hell is the fruit of government unchecked, not the result of checking it. Men undertake obligations, duty, and restraint out of love and affection for their fellows. Obedience to armed thugs projecting the power of overlords through their institutional vectors for parasitization is but predation, that very brute force of nature, and domestication of chattel by beasts that have no relation to their prey beyond predation.

You have no facts, no relation to reality in your words except opposition to it.

Fortunately, reality does not listen to you, and will eventuate anyway.