I think the people you delegated to will understand... I am not a SOG receiver, but have received recently from 2 SOG members (@abh12345 and coolguy123 and I can tell you that I gladly give their SP back to them)... I am just a newbie, but this fight is something that I know will pump up the newbies and minnows and we all want fulltimegeek to win!
I'm just telling you my thoughts as a delegee of a delegee, my guess is your delegees will feel the same as we learned from you the value of respect and giving!
ps... plus we can fight in other ways that won't require SP... That's the beauty of this platform, everyone can play a role and fight as one big team! ;)
Hi Dave
I've earned enough Steem Power through the generosity of @fulltimegeek these past few months to not need to undelegate any of the SP I have loaned out.
While the great war is underway, I still wish for the less bloody 'battles' to take place and this means keeping our new members engaged and encouraged - something which you and the team have done a great job with.
Don your helmets, this could get messy!
This is awesome @abh12345 and of course @fulltimegeek ; I'm prepared for battle and like nothing more than to fight a good fight to ward off evil! I'm in battle position and will continue to rally the newbie troops through engagement and encouragement; we are on guard and will await notification of battle postions!
Awesome Lynn!!! You never cease to rise to the challenges!!! I don't know where you get your spirit and courage from... oh wait yes I do ;) ... The farmgirl in Mexico is purely badass!!!
hahaha @davemccoy! Although you are neither a farm girl or farm boy for that matter, and not in Mexico...I would say in the end, it takes one to know one :) Cheers!
And by the way, you should have seen me in my Viking Halloween costume haha
Lol, @lynncoyle1 is truly the enthusiastic cheerleader amongst us. She puts me to shame.
Now that's funny @beeyou...you are the best cheerleader!
The helmets are on and we will plow through whatever you need from us... I know its you that will be able to do all the fighting, and I'm thankful for it!
If you tell us what we can do, I'm sure there are many in my group that will do what is possible. I think the main things we can do is help to spread the message and keep people understanding what is really happening. I also think we can also show our support, so I will try to encourage that as well. If you can think of anything else, then let me know (I have already heard from many they are ready to help you and @fulltimegeek)...
Also on the delegation, I appreciate that and of course will continue to use it if you feel that is the best. But I hope you realize by now that I truly don't mind if you should need to take it back. As I said, your delegation meant more to me than the SP I received. If my portion would help to make this battle stronger, then I am fully onboard with doing my part.
I plan on being here for a very long time, so making sure this battle is won is something that is very important! I get it! So have no worries about me crumbling, I'm on you side of any battle for life!!! ;)
Hi Dave I don’t really understand what is happening here. Can you get me up to speed in plain english?
:) yes Mark...
I will be happy to explain.
There has been a group of people that have gamed or cheated and set up a whole bunch of accounts and gained a lot of control. They have got so much power that they are sorta in charge because of the way the system works. It has to do with your Reputation and your SP.
Essentially these guys cheat because they essentially just massively upvote their own stuff even though it is something a 4 year old could do. Then when anyone has tried to "flag" it (which is how we are supposed to police ourselves), these individuals used their power to destroy the lessor persons reputation.
One quick note: if two people have a disagreement the one with the higher reputation wins. That is how it is structured. So if me and you fought, I would win since my reputation is 55 and yours is 40. You can't hurt me by yourself, but I could hurt you. Of course I would never do that, and neither do most people here. But there is a group that does exactly that and they have got too much power so nobody can challenge them. This has led them to take a large % of the rewards every day. And they do it day after day because no one will challenge them. All of us get cheated because this group has gained all this power by essentially cheating the system to get there.
Finally someone has woken up and is going to do something about it. His name is @fulltimegeek. He is the one who started the #stewardsofgondor. To give you some background on what he did, he got so powerful that he wasn't comfortable with all his power. So he decided to delegate most all of it away to others who he felt would do a good job and help others. In that way he didn't carry his weight so heavy that he could be the sole decider of things.
But today he is coming back. He has had enough of the evil group and is going to attack them with his own power. He is taking back his delegated power from his "stewards" and he will once again have the ability to have lots of control over the situation. He will also have an army of people that will help him (like me, even though I am small) because he has earned respect from many for his selflessness and giving.
So that is why I am pointing this out because you should understand what he is doing. The whole system is beautifully designed but there is no one person in charge. So people have to get together to make changes or the place will fall apart. I have been aware of this problem for most of my time here. But not until today did we find someone that is willing to risk it all in the fight.
Does that explain it to you? Do you have any more questions, I'm happy to answer them!
@davemccoy if i was delegated 1k by @fulltimegeek was i a part of the SOG? If so Damn that’s awesome! Obsessed with LOTR I’ve been to Aragorns Ranch here in Malibu CA. Viggo has the Sword on his living room wall lol
So for me to help, what do I need to do
Awesome... That's what I love about you Mark, you are ready to support any force for good always! Even when you didn't know the facts, I knew you would be one that I could call on to help! That is a great trait and I admire you very much for that spirit!
The answer at this point is "pay attention"... We have no idea how this is going to play out but we should be aware of what is going on. And we can make sure to keep each other educated as to what is happening and find others to pay attention too. From there is may be something as simple as giving moral support, to rolling up our sleeves and helping heal the ones that may get caught in the crossfire. I have put out the word that we are ready if needed, so I'm sure if they need us they will tell us how we can help.
In the meantime keep doing what you're doing, I see the people that you are helping every day! I'm impressed and happy to have you as my teammate and my friend!
Well written I’m now up to speed. Sounds like the platform isn’t so decentralized after all and there are stronger ppl that shift the power here.
This in essence boils down to a flawed mechanic on the platform that squeezed through a user testing phase that wasn’t predicted. And now someone has found a way to alter the platform rules by exploiting a rule set that was never intended. In video games when i worked at activision we call these SEV 1 bugs! 🐜🐜🐜 these are platform flaws that need better rulesets in a steemit update to corse correct when a mechanic becomes broken or exploited. Any hearthstone players out there? If so when they adjust certain cards in the game on an update it’s because the game mechanic is unbalanced and that is exactly what it sounds like here as well.
This looks like a worthwhile problem I’d be willing to rework in an exploratory series for solution solving if you guys think that’s valuable
I'm glad you got up to speed... You're fast! ;)
And I'm not so sure this is a bug. It may be the intention all along. In order to keep the platform from failing, a mechanism was put in that allowed the bigger players to exert control. In theory that means that the people that got big, did so because they earned the respect of others. And in most cases this was true (ie fulltimegeek delegated all of his SP to keep from having too much power and being tempted to exert too much influence).
But one group figured out how to game that and earn their reputation not through respect, but by cheating the system. In the beginning nobody paid much attention, but eventually the problem got worse. Finally the "leaders" are ready to deal with it, and the system has the mechanics in place to handle it. If they ban together, they will have enough power together to squash the problem.
SInce it is in all their interests that this platform succeed, it was just a matter of who had the courage to be "first"... @fulltimegeek was the one who said "I'll do it" and if you learn about what he has done you will understand that wasn't surprising. He has been selfless in his time here and tried to always serve the community.
So while it may seem like a bug in the system, in fact I would argue that the system was still designed brilliantly because it enables problems like this to be dealt with. It just takes leaders to lead. And information to spread. And sooner or later, the system will fix itself!
I'm glad to see you up to speed @theuxyeti! And I knew you would be on the right side! ;)
True. We call this still an unaccounted issue. I’m sure this mechanic wasn’t intended as a rule set though as it was built. It became exploitable based on behaviors. It can be unmade
It just takes a deep exploration on how to redesign the mechanic from continuing to happen. While there may be a community way to overcome this issue by flagging reputation repeatedly while receiving the backlash of the exploiters i agree if there are greater numbers of good steemians I’d hope we prevail. It just seems an interesting mechanic in the loyalty engine of things that things like this can happen which causes a fracture in the platforms behavior on the Blockchain. It’s a fascinating flaw. And it’s metaphorical in that the ppl can respond to destroy the ring similar. Sounds so exciting...
I’m excited to join the fight!
I could obviously undelegate during this time, and I know that everyone would understand, but I wanted to go "all in" with my new project and I have every intention of doing so further on too. I didn't have to delegate everything I had, but I felt like doing that as I truly believe it's for a good cause. It's been a while since I was down to such a small amount of Steem Power, so it'll be kind of cool to see how it goes. I might take some of my SP back, but no matter incoming delegations or not, I intend to continue to delegate my own Steem Power to grow the @asapers. I started to delegate before the battle. I want to do it during the battle and I have every intention of doing it after the battle too. :)
Awesome, I like your attitude @hitmeasap!!! I love someone that can take a direct hit, dust himself off, and get back up and complete the mission! Its nice to meet you and if your project could use the participation of newbies and minnow, I will be happy to look into how we can integrate it into our community! (#newbieresteemday if you want to check on us)
Let's see how it pans out. :)
The entire idea with @asapers is to help our newcomers and to give them support, motivation and encouragement so you and I should definitely be able to combine our strenghts in the near future. It was nice meeting you too!
Awesome @hitmeasap... I joined your @aspers room and will to talk to you anytime you are ready. I agree we are running very complimentary programs that serve a similar group. I would love to find things we can do together and I've already sent your page out via resteem and will encourage my people to join you too!
Keep up the good work and if you have time, let me know and I will be happy to discuss!!!
Agreed @patrice and @fulltimegeek equally assisted delegating me some steem and have believed in my contribution to the community but if there are greater causes for strengthening the platform do what is best for everyone. I love global causes. And both have helped me establish a lil bit of a presence in the creative space for Steemit. I’m available too if needed! Take it from the KING himself