are you stupid? Socialism is where the workers control the means of production. He is a retard who thinks welfare capitalism is socialism
You try to attack socialism but can't even define it. Typical
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are you stupid? Socialism is where the workers control the means of production. He is a retard who thinks welfare capitalism is socialism
You try to attack socialism but can't even define it. Typical
First, chill :) Second, it was a joke referencing how everytime socialism fails you hear a leftie saying "but that wasn't true socialism".
I would love to hear an example of successful socialist country :)
I'm still waiting to hear about a capitalist system that hasn't slaughtered hundreds of millions
Now tell me about all that "failure", want to learn more about how a democratic nation actually functions?
Remember, the capitalists had the benefit of being decades later with that massive increase in technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_referendum,_1991
how about the fact that 80% of the members of the ussr voted to keep it socialist, but the opportunist they stupidly relied on destroyed all hope?
With this video I finish proving the most important points: Less death, more resources, popular support, and freedom.
40% of people approve trump, stalin just hit the highest in years at 83%.
How do you feel about that propaganda your school taught you now?
i) Yeah fewer deaths. Go say that to a polish guy ;) The attrocities of the USSR are too many to count
ii) Are these the same numbers that were saying how Trump would never win the elections?
iii) Approval means jack shit. Hitler won the elections, remember?
'ii) Are these the same numbers that were saying how Trump would never win the elections?"
no they are the numbers that prove a two party system is not anything close to a democracy
the polish lands taken were originally russian and were needed to defend against the nazis,
let me guess, you think iraq is justified
Oh yeah, you are talking about that time when the NAZIs where still the good guys, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Border_and_Commercial_Agreement
if nobody thought they were the good guys they could never do bad things
Holy shit, dropping info on em.
"iii) Approval means jack shit. Hitler won the elections, remember?
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at least do research
"There are indicators that Hitler’s popularity peaked in 1939 at somewhere close to 80, or 90% just before the war and fell well below 50% as the war progressed."
Yeah 83% when you don't have a choice and if you mock the demi-god ruler that controls the elections you get to go to the gulag. Give me a break. The guy that murders 40 million people isn't popular, what kind of propaganda have you been inundated with. If you piled up all the bodies of Russian communism, you would reach the moon.
killed 40 million?
tell me, where on this graph does it crash by 20%? Hint: it doesn't
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789
There ya go. 20 - 60 million dead by communism. Horrible.
propaganda, that would show up on population graphs would it not? That's a third of their population
That is internal research man, their own numbers. Even they agree.
#1 they went against the will of the majority of votes so that's delusional
#2 it was far more democratic than the United states and that 'all-powerful dictatorship" is just propaganda
Joseph Stalin - Here he goes with voter fraud. - "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes."
he didn't have absolute power, there are literally thousands of examples of this. Stop denying history
Haha, right. He just used the military to forcefully control society and owned the media so you could only hear the party message. The party or polit-bureau has absolute power and elects leaders from within. The people have nothing to do with the politics of the country, it is fully owned/controlled. It's animal farm man, all animals are equal, just some are more equal than others.
the failure was that they allowed themselves to listen to the ramblings of a non-socialist and followed orders like sheep, which leads to capitalism. That is the complete opposite of what socialists want.
you keep making all these threads, I really can't follow you. I would love to have this discussion somewhere else, here it's just impossible for me :)
How about we think about it in another way. Collectivization of society leads to financial failure and social disparity. So that would cover all definitions of every attempt of socialism, there has never been a socialist model that outperforms capitalism, none.
hmmm it seems like facts prove you wrong
So a 50% collapse of GDP in one year (1990) when It collapsed isn't proof. Then after opening up to semi-free markets you see a dramatic increase topping previous highs. It proves me right! Thanks.
the country collapsed before it turned communist,
The increase is do to a higher level of technology lmao
Nope, communism officially failed in Russia in 1990. Increase of tech and moneybis from opening markets back up. Thats why the U.S. was always leading the world in technology. It doesn't take massive oppression and slaughter to do well. There's no reason for communism. Just so painful to see people beg for servitude to an oligarchist elite. It's really weird. We all can research economics and you've even admitted communists will commit mass atrocities on the "proliteriate" to make sure the workers have zero political power against the polit-bureau. There's too many holes and contradictions in the "for" arguments.