the libertarian in this is awful. Has no idea how to persuasively argue his points. And yells like a moron then again no self respecting libertarian would be caught dead in the Libertarian Party. I don't see how this makes libertarian ideology crumble.
@ionescur -
1.interesting comment , " no self respecting libertarian would be caught dead in the Libertarian Party" - why is that ? please expand on this .
2.Who do you think is a good representative of Libertarian ideology ?
Libertarian Party -it is rather full of people who are not that much libertarian but are trying to get publicity.
Besides me you mean? I don't think there is one representative of libertarian ideology if you want a YouTube link or something like that. It is a fairly dispersed ideology, more so than others due to not being that mainstream and people arriving to it on their own. I do not think there is a good representative of left wing ideology either. That is why I would not give a link saying see left ideology crumble like you did. Because if a left wing person looses a debate that does not mean left ideology crumbles. Sadly I feel the kind of people mostly attracted to libertarianism are the kind who do not know how to "market" the ideology. They often preach to the coir and as if their conclusions are evident to others.
To give names, on economics Cafe Hayek is a good resource, for example.
As a short example of bad arguing, the guy above jumps right to some "right to secede" when asked about right not respected in the US by government. There are many other things one can mention before the so called right to secede which is not something most libertarians would consider.
@ionescur - if it was just one libertarian debating badly I would not have classified it as crumbling of the ideology. There is plethora of these debates ranging from libertarian presidential candidates to libertarian professors and what not.
If it's not documented in a formal manner how do you ascertain what an ideology constitutes of ? I would look at the prominent leaders/representatives of the same.As far as representatives of left wing ideology is concerned , I find the below as an reasonable mapping:
Neoliberal : Hillary and Democratic establishment ( Biden/cory booker/kamala harris etc) on the media side : MSNBC , CNN and other main streamers
Progressive : Bernie Sanders , Elizabeth warren , etc on the media side : David Pakman , Kyle Kulinski , Sam Seder , Cenk Uygur
Not trying to be condescending but how does it add up-
Atheism is the absence of belief and relying on evidence based facts , thus ,forming one's understanding of subject.
By your logic , Libertarianism is the absence of ideology :
Ideology : a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
So if Libertarianism doesn't have any economic/political/policy implications , what does it stand for ? @chirieleison
There is plethora of these debates ranging from libertarian presidential candidates to libertarian professors and what not. - well you linked on that half way a guy start randomly yelling. Does not seem a serious debate.
I assume for libertarianism Reason.com is the more main stream press outlet in the US. Libertarianism does not have something like the Democratic establishment to represent it. As I said I find Cafe Hayek a good resource. The libertarian party not so much.
the libertarian in this is awful. Has no idea how to persuasively argue his points. And yells like a moron then again no self respecting libertarian would be caught dead in the Libertarian Party. I don't see how this makes libertarian ideology crumble.
@ionescur -
1.interesting comment , " no self respecting libertarian would be caught dead in the Libertarian Party" - why is that ? please expand on this .
2.Who do you think is a good representative of Libertarian ideology ?
Libertarian Party -it is rather full of people who are not that much libertarian but are trying to get publicity.
Besides me you mean? I don't think there is one representative of libertarian ideology if you want a YouTube link or something like that. It is a fairly dispersed ideology, more so than others due to not being that mainstream and people arriving to it on their own. I do not think there is a good representative of left wing ideology either. That is why I would not give a link saying see left ideology crumble like you did. Because if a left wing person looses a debate that does not mean left ideology crumbles. Sadly I feel the kind of people mostly attracted to libertarianism are the kind who do not know how to "market" the ideology. They often preach to the coir and as if their conclusions are evident to others.
To give names, on economics Cafe Hayek is a good resource, for example.
As a short example of bad arguing, the guy above jumps right to some "right to secede" when asked about right not respected in the US by government. There are many other things one can mention before the so called right to secede which is not something most libertarians would consider.
@ionescur - if it was just one libertarian debating badly I would not have classified it as crumbling of the ideology. There is plethora of these debates ranging from libertarian presidential candidates to libertarian professors and what not.
If it's not documented in a formal manner how do you ascertain what an ideology constitutes of ? I would look at the prominent leaders/representatives of the same.As far as representatives of left wing ideology is concerned , I find the below as an reasonable mapping:
Neoliberal : Hillary and Democratic establishment ( Biden/cory booker/kamala harris etc) on the media side : MSNBC , CNN and other main streamers
Progressive : Bernie Sanders , Elizabeth warren , etc on the media side : David Pakman , Kyle Kulinski , Sam Seder , Cenk Uygur
Libertarianism is not a single ideology. It is as much an ideology as atheism is a belief system.
Not trying to be condescending but how does it add up-
Atheism is the absence of belief and relying on evidence based facts , thus ,forming one's understanding of subject.
By your logic , Libertarianism is the absence of ideology :
Ideology : a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
So if Libertarianism doesn't have any economic/political/policy implications , what does it stand for ?
@chirieleison
There is plethora of these debates ranging from libertarian presidential candidates to libertarian professors and what not. - well you linked on that half way a guy start randomly yelling. Does not seem a serious debate.
I assume for libertarianism Reason.com is the more main stream press outlet in the US. Libertarianism does not have something like the Democratic establishment to represent it. As I said I find Cafe Hayek a good resource. The libertarian party not so much.
Let's keep talking...followed you ..this comment thread seems to have run out of space !!
@ionescur