I am quite skeptical of any claims to a returned messiah. All I see is incredibly sketchy "evidence," and a lack of doctrinal solidity. Convince this bad Quaker through clear scripture and reason, not obtuse arguments.
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Yes, and you should be! But there is proof and tons of evidence... I suggest to start with the following articles and make your research :)
Is Lord RayEl Jesus? - No, He Is Not
Rejecting Christ - True Religious Depictions Of Christ
We are pleased for every constructive conversation. Maybe you can name what you mean exactly with:
I mean the evidence is entirely lacking in substance.
That would be because the religious and political authorities alike had rejected God. You conflate the laws of man and the laws of God to build an absurd argument that these conflicting concepts are equal. The State is anti-Christ, and it always has been. That is why the corrupt priesthood sought the aid of pagan theocratic governments to slay the Servant King.
Jesus was of the line of David through Mary, and lineage is counted through the mother in many ancient societies including ancient Israel.
If He defeated death and was resurrected, He conquered death. Nothing can be more redemptive than that.
@jacobtothe ... The article you are referencing is one that I wrote, and you mention a couple of things I would be happy to address...
I couldn't agree more. That's why I wrote the article; to clear up the man-made misinterpretations of "Jesus", and further the argument that most Christians today worship a false idol created by those who are against Christ. Much of the work came after Yeshua's crucifixion to cover up the truth and spread falsehoods by church authorities, and most Christians today are loyal to their church, not to Christ.
This is what gave his apostles hope. It was the skeptic Thomas who saw the holes in his hands, and went around telling everyone that he has risen. This served as a catalyst for a renewed focus, and the apostles took the message and spread it far and wide (before suffering tragic fates of their own).
However, in Acts 1:6-7, it says
Scriptural proof that even Yeshua knew that he would have to return for redemption of Israel. After he said that to the witnesses, and ascended, two men in white robes approach them and calm their concerns, saying he will return in like manner.
It was over the location of his ascension, and in the manner he prophesied in Matthew 24:27 in which he returned on January 28, 2011. You can see the videos below:
The preceding verses:
UFO footage is far from persuasive evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Scriptures taken out of context are deceptive rather than enlightening. If the tree is good, where is the good fruit?
A "UFO" is simply another label for what the religious world would call an "Angel". A little bit of logic has to be applied here, and our view of reality should not be distorted simply because our labels evolve over time... We are told in scripture that Christ would return from the clouds of heaven, and a massive force of angels would accompany him. Well in 2011, UFO sightings nearly doubled, and this is well documented. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-db5c515b669221563a10015b9f93e92f
My article you quoted earlier also explains Matthew 24:23-26. It's a segment of scripture that gets thrown at us quite often, but I would have to suggest improving your argument. There are perhaps hundreds of people claiming to be the Messiah now, and many more throughout history, ALL of them had a physical address and you could walk right up to their doorstep. Since the fusing of Spirit to the Son of Man in 2011, Lord RayEl's location has never been revealed. No one in the public knows his location, and will not until he comes to his temple, completing the prophecy of Malachi 3:1. Not even anyone in his clergy knows, or has ever been told his location. Christ knew this ahead of time, and that's why he made that prediction.
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves @jacobtothe The accusation that we are taking anything out of context is not well supported with facts. Actually, once you do the full research, then it will come to full clarity what we are witnessing here, and it is wise to do so before making hasty judgments.
You ask for good fruit? I would imagine he is asking us the same question, where is the good fruit? After all he has taught us, how have WE used his blessings? Above all, Yeshua's message 2,000 years ago was to "Love our Father, and to Love your neighbor" (Mark 12:30-31) ... Today, his message is virtually the same, with his ultimate stance that we should "Love God, and love each other."... It is not us who ought to demand of him good fruit, it is up to us to show him that we are capable of providing such.
First of all, he fulfills prophecy to the letter, and he has been judging the nations, all of which is well documented here... http://www.youtube.com/user/ChristHasReturned/videos?sort=da&flow=list&view=0
Second, his identity as Yeshua/Messiah/Christ has been confirmed hundreds of times in the statistically verifiable equidistant letter skips of Torah/Bible Code. More on that subject can be found here... http://torah-codes.net/
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No.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Use scripture to support your arguments. None of the cited scriptures in your sources are persuasive, especially considering your use of Matthew 24:27 considering its context. This indicates to me that you are intentionally deceptive. Deceit is not the way of Christ.
Yes, I do ask for good fruit. A man who says "I am your king, and I am your lord" shows me the arrogance of man, not the majesty of God. Christ is humble, not arrogant. He stands at the door and knocks, he does not make demands. He sits with the downtrodden, he does not demand to be exalted.
I don't buy that line of argument at all. If your argument is first that, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Then why do you need to resort to such methods to prove it? It should be self-evident according to your own scriptural sources, but all you have is mystical mumbo-jumbo and empty promises.