hi mate, i don't find differing opinions offensive. so you haven't offended me.
In my post, I am not blaming UK for what it did, and not asking people to come and settle in the UK and destroy its social fabric. All I was trying to say was that people travel to different places to seek work and decent standard of living. Britain conquered other countries for prosperity, and people from other parts of the world are moving to the UK for prosperity without any intention of conquering it.
Child grooming is done by white folks, black folks, brown folks christians, muslims. Most high profile child sex abusers are white. Go to notable offenders section of this link and tell me how many muslims are there. and by saying this, i don't mean that if a culprit is a muslim, he shouldn't be punished -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_offenders
Diversity may sound like a buzz word used by hypocritical liberals to you, and it may be. I also feel the word is abused quite a lot. Most employers harp about diversity, but boardrooms are all while and all male. so yeah diversity is an abused buzzword but that does not mean, diversity doesn't have benefits and can't be balanced. I am sure, you don't eat british food 3 times a day 365 days a week. You probably do enjoy a chinese takeaway once in a while or italian food or french food or for that matter a shawarma.
man, sorry if your brother had to move out because of religious maniacs. I am with you, that's a bit much and the govt should do something to maintain peace in every pocket of britain and not let the pendulum swing too much either way.
and cheap labour is necessary my friend. call it cheap labour or unskilled labour. labor abuse happens across the globe, its just that in the uk labor abuse is public sector employees who haven't seen wage growth and in poor countries its kids working at menial wages. and that has all to do with greedy part of capitalism. You won't be able to avoid a race to the bottom whether the employee is white or brown or black.
Child grooming is not committed by gangs of "white folks" or "black folks" as you called them, in gangs using religious ideology to justify it. Many of those communities stayed silent as it happened. Girls were passed between communities and family groups.
The argument you use is called whataboutery. It's not valid in itself, to point to other groups and say "so, they do it also!* And even if it was you would have to find groups that are comparable.
We don't have religious rape gangs from any other religion I'm afraid, you are plain wrong.
The closest thing is the catholic church who covered up paedophile priests. But they didn't operate in gangs that are often familial.
These type of gangs can't survive in traditional working class communities as they are not tolerated. Islam does because it's written in their ideology.
Black, white, christian, sihk, hindu, buddhists, you name them and they are all horrified and complaining about this. Not just the white folks!
It's rather dissingenuous to point to high profile paedophiles and hold them up as an example of the prevalence of rape gangs of the same type. Islam is 6% of our population, yet 25% of our prison population is now rape gang related. There are no other rape gangs and that comment shows your ignorance. Yes there are all manner of disgusting people in this country of all persuasions but none of them are forming into gangs to rape children because of things they hear in their local religious centres!!
To just attempt to glibly explain them away in the manner you are shows no empathy or compassion for the thousands of girls who have been abused, some only 11. Some branded with M for muhammad. I suggest you research it properly, it will affect everyone eventually. Do you think working class children somehow deserve this? Your talk of cheap labour shows a lack of awareness of the plight of the working classes?
I suggest you read the* Quran and hadiths.*
Cheap labour is not required in a just society. Nor is blaming those in the present of "crimes" of ancestors. That thinking is how feuds are created and continued through time.
Thank you for the interesting comments. I am going to leave it here as we arent going to change each other's opinion.
I think that's a good idea and often the best way forward. i would invite you to study the subject of Islamic fundamentalism and the extremists it drives.
It was still an interesting conversation and I've learned a lot, so thanks for that and have a great day.
you as well. hope you had a good long weekend!
I did,Thank you. here's a video that may help you get up to speed. from a different speaker.
And, i eat only British produce, it's not hard. I'm patriotic I'm afraid and support my own community first.