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RE: HIVE Blockchain vs. Curation Business

in #ocd3 years ago

What does it matter how much time you spend on posts if no one reads them?

I already talked to felix about it in dms so it's not like I'm just targeting you for the fun of it. Build some connections, content alone on Hive isn't that valuable. Sure we don't have viewcounters to prove how little people care about most content here but the least users can do is interact, invite people to join Hive or share their posts on the centralized social media platforms. No need to get all defensive, figured you may need a reality check considering how long you've been here and still don't seem to understand how to actually bring some value to Hive.

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I see that "content alone is not that valuable".

In fact, your statement is underlined, for example, by this posting here: https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@livinguktaiwan/how-to-make-your-post-more-curatable, to which I made the following comment:

lol - are you serious about this or is this a hidden joke of some sorts? It gets me smiling, you've got highly rewarded for a thing you actually critizise.

Taking this very post of yours, ask yourself the questions:

what are you contributing to your target audience? Are you telling them something new or interesting? Is there anything in your post that makes it stand out from others so curators will read to the end and upvote you?

HaHa! So, your audience sees this: you will be rewarded even if you say something that has already been said umpteen times.

In this respect, this is a contradiction in terms. LOL

I come to the conclusion that all one needs to do is become a curator who has been commissioned to scan "quality content" in order to then secure the high payouts by writing about postings that show a lack of originality? One's own rules don't seem to be worth much as long as one just extensively and vigorously beats the advertising drum on other channels? In what way would the above post be understood or even interesting by an audience not yet active on Hive?

Such things, I think, run counter to your other efforts to make Hive an interesting and vibrant place. I agree then, it really doesn't matter what is published here in terms of content. But then you have a paradox, because if content doesn't count, but only marketing or how active a user is here, we can probably laugh at this together.

To me, you seem very defensive in terms of critique - but will you disagree that cases like the above one, let your efforts being judged in a different light?

Yes because felixxx has always been a cunt who cherrypicks shit to complain about while ignoring other examples of unfair rewards or how inconsistent his accusations are, such as the curator he mentioned. She doesn't get consistent high rewards nor are our own votes that high, we can't control what other people vote on, there's at least another curation project who has voted either before or after us and then rancho + haejin with same sized votes than us. Could we downvote the post a bit? sure, but since she doesn't get those numbers always I'd rather refrain from using downvotes on such accounts as there's plenty of others who could use them better. Not to mention the endless arguments downvotes bring without giving the downvoter anything of value in return except attempting to protect the reward pool - not that that would be the case with that author as she has personally often asked me to downvote some of her content that gets overrewarded for one reason or another. This is stuff felixxx and others obviously don't know or choose to ignore when they see the downvotes and their jealous eyes just look at wallet activity to judge people for selling as if that's their business.

I come to the conclusion that all one needs to do is become a curator who has been commissioned to scan "quality content" in order to then secure the high payouts by writing about postings that show a lack of originality?

You are doing the same, picking one post out of all and for some reason expecting that that's all we vote for? Ignoring that there's many other curators voting on it? You know there's no curation sniping rewards involved anymore so there shouldn't be a reason for others to vote before or after our votes other than if they want that content to be rewarded more. The author you quoted maybe makes one post about curation once every 3 months at max and you chose that to be a good time to make it all about your point.

If I were your PR consultant, I would have just given you some free advice. You're on stage, I'm not, that's the difference between us. You're set up as a witness, you run a big community and you have an outside presence that is put through its paces by a lot of people. If you make mistakes and appear inconsistent or include personal insults in your comments, you will be judged on that. Never mind finding something you say is an exception. Others find it too and they judge accordingly and find criticisable things in it.

If you want to pay your curators, why don't you pay them directly into their hive wallet, that would be possible too?

As far as you reject my criticism and think that certain things are or should be free of it, you are free to do so. I simply told you that it gives a very bad public impression. You are engaging in politics and I have commented on that politics. I don't know this felixx, I merely followed some of your recent comments and finally decided to take the example, of which I'm sure there are and have been others.

I don't care about PR nor do I care about politics, you can't please everyone with your answers and I'm not known to try or attempt to sugarcoat things to be seen as polite when I know certain peoples intentions because they've occurred many times in the past.

The votes on authors who happen to be curators aren't there as a payment, many happen to also write content that is decent. Why would we ignore such posts when we curate hundreds of posts daily focusing on active ones and giving value to hive in other ways whether old or new but focused on newer ones more and within communities. Our activities range quite a lot similarly how a curators do, it's not just about reading a post and deciding what to vote it with, the word curation has been dragged through the floor quite a lot in the past but what our curator's do these days goes way beyond that and not incentivizing them all with rewards for that work which felixxx is against as he seems to think curation rewards should be enough, ignoring that not everyone has the same stake to be rewarded equally for their time or that not everyone can stay powered up to grow to that size or that choosing to just not try and only go for laxy or autovotes isn't what the majority do which would not make hive as good of a place as it is for retention and stake distribution.

Engaging in hive politics is what witnesses do, isn't it? You play a major role in determining governance on the platform by acting and making statements as you do. You have a stake in it, that's obvious. How else would you describe what you do? You set a certain standard that you definitely want to see met, with an emphasis on engagement among users and their individual marketing activities on other channels. You use upvotes and downvotes, so you are not only involved in hive politics, but you have a certain weight by the amount of power and share you have. Elsewhere I read that you might even prefer to stay out of it, but that's the path you're taking. I was merely pointing out to you the non-adherence to a standard regarding the posting of one of your curators, who himself is not measured by what is expected of other users.
Doesn't it make you laugh that what is said there was not immediately reflected for itself?

I could only take it as a joke. I laughed heartily at it because it makes the contradiction so obvious. That's why I laughed again when I read "content isn't really that important".

I don't bother what else of value this user contributes, it's not my place to research that at all, I shared my view based on this single post and I suppose I look at the whole matter here with a good pinch of humour. If you weren't so involved in this governance matter, you might just as well do. :D

If you don't consider the payouts to be payment to your trustees, what else are they?

Sorry I assumed the two germans in this thread knew each other.

This might surprise you, but I am not very popular in the German HIVE community.

I don't understand. Do you mean me with "the Germans"?
Anyhow, appreciated.