I have to admit that I'm really scared to post this. I actually have butterflies about it, but I'm going to press post. I know that this is a controversial subject that polarises people. I want to get my experience of not getting my child vaccinated out there so that others can see a perspective from a first time mum on the subject. So please, feel free to comment and discuss but please be kind.
I'm not vaccinated. I don't believe in vaccines. My 8 month old daughter is not vaccinated and she never will be (unless she decides to do so once she's an adult).
My siblings have all been vaccinated. I'm the youngest in my family and luckily my wonderful mother stood up to my father and for once she won an argument. This meant that I was able to avoid getting those horrible injections. I remember being the only child in my school who didn't get vaccinated. I had to sit and wait while my friends and other students got injected. A lot of them were returning to class with tears in their eyes. I'm forever grateful to mum for not making me go through that.
Fast forward to more recently when I was pregnant with my daughter. Since the day I had my pregnancy confirmed early last year I have had vaccines, flu shots and medical drugs pushed at me. I declined every single one, much to the dismay of my midwife and doctors. They were especially concerned about me because I'm not vaccinated. It's not something that I usually raise with people, but my midwife did a screen of my blood and she asked me if I was vaccinated because she saw that I was "at risk" for contracting illnesses as I don't have the antibodies. I was intrigued, but politely declined.
My baby is now 8 months old and I've been declining any kind of vaccines for my wee girl since the day she took her first breath. It's getting to a point where I feel bullied by my doctor and my well child nurse due to my decision not to vaccinate. Here in NZ we have to have our babies checked by a nurse periodically as your baby grows. The frequency of seeing the nurse decreases (thankfully). Every time I go I'm asked when I'll be getting her vaccinated. Every time my answer is the same..."I'm not."
The last appointment that I went to with the nurse was the worst one yet. So bad that I'm considering not going back. The nurse (she was a different nurse to my usual one) incorrectly assumed that my daughter was 'up to date' with her vaccines. I told her that we're not vaccinating her. The nurse tried to get into a debate with me about it trying to convince me to change my mind. There's been a story in the news here recently about a screening of the show Vaxxed that was interrupted by a doctor. The doctor took to the stage and told the audience that their presence "would cause babies to die".
You can see the article here:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11862206
This news story was what my nurse wanted to debate with me and then she started asking me what I will do when they change the law to make vaccines compulsory for having your child attend daycare. I really didn't want to discuss it with her and I felt horrible being stuck in the room with her. I feel that she was crossing a line by badgering me about my choice not to vaccinate. I told her that it wouldn't be an issue for me either way because I'm staying home with my girl, so she won't be attending daycare. Once the nurse realised that I wasn't going to get into a debate with her she finally moved on and continued doing her job.
My doctor (who I avoid and was only there for a mandatory check up for my baby) lectured me about vaccines. Saying how I'm putting my baby at risk by not getting her vaccinated. She then went on to tell me a story about an 18 year old boy who had recently died from chickenpox. I mean, that's terrible but I couldn't understand why she was telling me this other than to try to scare me into getting vaccinated and getting my girl vaccinated. I had chickenpox as a child and I survived. The worst thing I got from it was a tiny wee scar from where I couldn't stop scratching a particular sore!
Is that what they do, the medical professionals? They can't legally force me to have my daughter vaccinated so they are preying on my fears to try to scare me into getting her vaccinated? It is scary. Hearing about little babies dying due to diseases. I don't want her to die. In fact, it would kill me if anything happened to her. Trust me, I'm not doing this as some kind of experiment. I genuinely don't want to have her pumped with chemicals.
We are back to eating organic fruits and vegetables, now that she's eating solid foods, to avoid her little organs getting overloaded with chemicals. Why would I then inject chemicals in?
Other mothers I know tell me how upset their children are after getting their shots and how they have to then give them more drugs (pain relief) to calm them down afterwards. It just seems so wrong to me and I can't and won't put my girl through that. If it makes me a social outcast then so be it.
It's a choice that is for my partner and I to make. It makes me annoyed that I'm having to defend my choice with every medical professional I cross paths with. I feel bullied and pressured. I'm a people pleaser by nature and usually would cave to pressure like this but I can't. It feels wrong to inject my beautiful little girl. It feels gross and I'm following my mothers instinct and not doing it. Ever.
I hope that over time I will get better at speaking up to the doctors and nurses. I don't want to feel attacked or belittled just because of my choice.
I really have seen a new side to our medical professionals since not following their rules. I can only wait and see what else happens on this journey.
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I am in total support of your decision. I went along with the vaccine schedule, believed what the doctors pushed that they were safe. There were little things that now looking back was signs that my youngest was having adverse reactions but I still didn't connect it till Vaxxed came out. But I have know since August 2, 2005 that it has all been a lie and that vaccines are not safe. On that day I took my son for his check up, and it was time for vaccines, this time he suffered neurological damage. My son was injured from vaccines. He hasn't had any since that day.
Oh that's so sad. That's one of the reasons that I posted. I wanted to get my point of view and experience out there to show that we have choices, even when feeling bullied by the medical professionals. I hope that your son recovers. Good on you for stopping the vaccines.
He is doing well, he just has to do things differently. He has Asperger's and Dysgraphia, we figured out how to work around it and he is excelling
Good to know that.wish you both well.
I am not going to call attention to the debate over vaccination safety. That is whole other shebang. I just wanted to mention a few things:
It is absolutely your decision to make. Good on you for standing up for what you believe in. It sucks that doctors make you feel the way you do. That is not how medical care should be. You should never be belittled.
I agree with your questioning the doctors but I really hope there is more to the story than just "not feeling right". This is a big decision - especially because you are making it for your daughter. I really hope you have evaluated vaccination further than just "chemicals are bad".
Keep up the great parenting. I only have some of my vaccinations and I am healthy as can be.
Thanks so much for commenting. Yes, I agree that no one should be made to feel the way I was in my last appointment. I felt she was being unprofessional. She could've just as easily discussed her medical reasons or recommendations and moved on. I think she approached the whole thing the wrong way.
It made me feel terrible and now I don't think I'll be going back there.
Yes, I have done research into this. My partner was pro-vaccines so I had to get some research behind me. I guess I could've been clearer in my post about how we came to our decision.
Thanks for commenting, I appreciate the feedback.
See if you can find a good D.O. in your area.
Sometimes they are more reasonable than most MDs..
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As someone who almost died as the result of vaccine injury, and took decades to resolve the damage, I would like to say thank you, and thanks to your mother for your decision in this matter. I'm sure your daughter and future children will thank you too.
That sounds awful. I'm sorry that you went through such issues due to vaccines. My sister had a bad reaction too and ended up in hospital. Now she's got MS, an autoimmune disease. I'm not saying that it's completely related, but I do wonder if she would have gotten MS if she was left alone to make her own antibodies.
I hope that you've recovered from your injuries now.
Good things have come out of it. I've learned more about it than I ever thought I would.
I am sorry to hear about your sister. This is one of the things that I have learned about vaccines and autoimmune disorders such as MS:
https://steemit.com/health/@lifeworship/multiple-sclerosis-is-it-really-incurable
Thanks so much for this post. I'm going to listen and also pass on to my sister. She's aware of Dr Wahls and has been following her eating style. So far her MS has not progressed any further. We are all hoping that it doesn't get any worse for her from here. She was diagnosed at 33 years of age. Far too young. Hopefully it can be reversed.
Thanks again for your post and comments. I really appreciate it.
If there is anything else I can do, please let me know.
I'm not a doctor, but I was able to reverse all of my autoimmune problems, and lymphoma and prostate cancer, several years ago. I have never been healthier than I am today.
Thank you for your post, I think it will help others who are struggling.
We share some similar thoughts. I don't put my kids on vaccinations for every year's flu vaccinations promoted by the government. However, I did follow the suggestions of doctors to vaccinate them according to the tracks for new born babies and infants (up to 4 years old).
The reason behind is that vaccination for new born babies are basically the same things over last decades, so they are proven and not changing every year. You won't feel like gambling.
But for the seasonal flu vaccination? As per the information given by various sources, it is nothing more than a wild guess from the manufacturers towards what's going to happen this year and press the button of their production line. They work with our government to get rid of their stocks, no guarantee on what produced can actually fight the flu happening at that time.
Therefore, I decided to allow my kids to tackle the flu all by themselves.
That's a good way to do things. Makes sense to me how you are tackling each vaccine on its merits. Thanks for commenting, it's nice to hear how other parents are getting through this.
Thank-you, thank-you for hitting the post button and sharing your story.
I too have 3 unvaccinated children.
I avoided a lot of the pressure that you are talking about though, because I never took my babies in to checkups like you are doing.
My midwives checked on baby and I for 6 weeks after birth and then we were done.
Are you sure that it is mandatory to go for these checkups?
If my baby/child is healthy, there is no need in my mind to go to doctors.
In the USA, well-baby checks are scheduled on the dates that vaccines are supposed to be administered.
Here where I live in Canada, there are no well-baby visits pressured on people, BUT parents are expected to go the Public Health Unit on dates that vaccines are to be administered. Of course, I had no reason to go.
Thanks for your support. I am looking into the checkups today. I had thought that it was compulsory, but now I'm not so sure.
If it's not then I don't think that I'll be returning.
I agree that if she's healthy then we don't need to have the checkups.
I'm still nervous about this post! I just don't want to be attacked as can happen on social media. However so far everyone has been really polite. Thanks for your comments.
You should tell them you will vaccinate ONLY if they can tell you ALL the ingredients in all the vaccines (see the list below)
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
AND if they will sign this form (see below)
https://therefusers.com/if-your-doctor-insists-that-vaccines-are-safe-then-have-them-sign-this-form-dr-dave-mihalovic/
Believe me the pressure will stop because not one of them knows the ingredients of vaccines nor will they sign the form.
Eggzackly! And the ones that do know the ingredients won't give them to their children.
Thanks so much for this. I'll keep a copy handy because I think that will stop the pressure from them. Funnily enough, when I told my mum about the pressure I'm getting she told me to ask for details of what ingredients are in vaccines. Great minds....
I practiced medicine for 20 years and I do not know of any medical provider who can accurately state the ingredients nor will they sign that form and if they are unwilling to do the things you request you should not be expected to submit your precious child to treatment that they are uneducated about.
Thanks for sharing. I don't agree with anything you've said, but I'm sorry to hear you've been treated so badly because of your beliefs.
Good luck with your quest!
Thanks for your comment, I really appreciate it even though you disagree. I wish that the nurse could behave the same way. Thanks!
I support your decision as a mother to make this choice, weigh the risks and make your best choice. As mothers we have to do that all of the time.
My son was born with a heart defect and had open heart surgery at 3 days old. (I hadn't started questioning Dr's yet) Well after he finally got out of the hospital, they wanted to start vaccinations. He had a terrible reaction and ended up back in the hospital.
Although I did choose a few vaccinations that had been around for many years with low risk. I was able to work with my physician and select the vaccinations that protected against the worst diseases with min. risks.
It was a decision that no government, no school and no other culture deserved a "Say" in. I am so happy in those days, I could make the decision, and the dr. could give his advice without fear of "consequences".
Not all vaccinations are the same, not all immune systems are the same and most importantly not all diseases are the same. My kids are grown, but I can not imagine living through the pressure that is put on people now.
People who throw around crazy stats about how many lives are at risk. Seem to forget many of us grew up and had chicken pox, mumps, measles, and all of our siblings did also, and most of the school. We survived and I don't know anyone who had life-long impacts. (I have a tiny scar on my forehead from a chicken pox scab)
Women who want to chant about their medical rights should be very cautious on this topic.
Anyway, I just wanted to offer my support in this difficult decision, but one you have an absolute right to make. IMO.
Thanks so much for your reply. It's definitely hard being a parent, well I'm finding all the things I was warned about easy, but these big decisions are tough. Even though we've decided not to vaccinate I'm still concerned that it might not be what's best.
Also, I find feeding her is stressful because she's so tiny, I don't want to feed her anything that may upset her tiny wee organs (e.g. Something that's been sprayed with pesticides) and can do her damage.
There's just so much information out there and I'm second guessing myself!
However, I feel confident for now that we've got this decision right.
It must've been terribly scary having your 3 day old baby in surgery and then just as bad having him back in hospital due to an allergic reaction. My sister spent time in hospital after an allergic reaction too so that's also in the back of my mind that something in my genes may have made my girl allergic too. I don't know if I am since I'm not vaccinated either.
One of the reasons we chose the midwife that we did is because she supports your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate. My first son was not vaccinated either but we were shoved each and every vaccine option known to man. Then when he was 3 the pediatrician threatened to call Child Protective Services. We are the parents to 4 healthy non-vaxxed kids ages 10,6,3, and 1 month. There is a huge community of us out there and on steemit.
Nobody is saying that non vaccinated children will be unhealthy.
You are absolutely correct, Nobody is saying that non vaccinated children will be unhealthy. Or you may have accidentally typed reply on the wrong comment.
Thanks for your comments. It's good to know that there's a community out there. I don't have that where I live so feel a bit alienated.
If we do have another child I think I'll investigate for a new midwife too. Your one sounds good!
Congrats on seeing through the whole "safe and effective" narrative to realize there's more to the story.
I don't vaccinate my 5 year son he is one of the healthiest kids at his daycare and when he does get sick he's usually recovered 100% within the first two days. In fact my wife is the sickest person in our family and has had very serious reactions to the flu shot that she is forced to get because she works at a hospital. I believe she'd be much healthier if she found a different job that doesn't force vaccinate their employees.
Thanks for your response. It must be hard for your wife to get a shot knowing that she's going to have a reaction from it. I don't think that I could be that brave!
It's great to hear that your son is very healthy too. Sounds like his immune system is working well.
I think you made a good choice. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for your support.
You're welcome.
Well done! My children have been vaccinated, a decision I've come to regret. I drew the line when my daughter was to be vaccinated with some completely untested HPV vaccine or something. Also, I watched Vaxxed and the parents' testimonies were heartbreaking.
Thanks for your comments. Good choice with the HPV vaccine. I think that you've done right by your daughter.
My mum has asked me to watch Vaxxed. I have to admit that I haven't quite gotten around to it yet. I don't watch a lot of TV as I'm trying to limit my screen time infront of my girl, but I will watch it one day soon when she's napping. From what I've heard it's quite scary.
I'm not educated enough about vaccines to decide if they're worth it or not, but I always greatly respect a parent who raises their kids on healthy habits like you are. Too many parents are putting artificer garbage in their kids bodies not realizing what it's doing to them. Well done
Thanks so much. Yeah, we are trying to keep things as natural for her as we can. Especially in this world where there's so much artificial junky foods around. We're hoping to set her up with good habits. Of course it's her choice to continue or not once she's old enough.
About that story of an 18 year old boy who had recently died from chickenpox, did she not tell you that he was vaccinated?
Hi, she said he was not vaccinated. It was her argument for why I needed to vaccinate my daughter.
In todays society you cannot trust the drug companies ... There track record sucks . billions in law suites and countless deaths . If they want people to trust them with our children they should not be such lying money grubbing pieces of shit. ..
So no suprise we don't want them near our children ..
Thanks for your response. That's my concern about the whole thing. I don't like the way the system works, especially since I haven't gone along with their agenda. I've seen a new side to it all.
So, the doctors get paid by the pharma/insurance companies to administer vacccines. If you don't vaccinate and enough others don't then they don't make bonuses. It's a huge amount of money. That's where the pressure is coming from. It's also where the ignorance is coming from. Hard to look critically when you're making a few hundred k a year from something.
Yes, that's my concern. I am going to ask her next time I go to the doctor if she can give me a list of the ingredients and what each one is used for. That's how I buy my food; if there's an ingredient in there that I don't know what it is (especially if it's not good but is a number instead) I don't buy the product.
This is how I'm going to approach her pressure from now on.
Same pressure that makes America the #1 consumer of Pharmaceuticals... We are a Drugged nation..
Excellent post and good on you for standing your ground . Unfortunately doctors first and foremost are trained drug dealers for big pharma. Doctors spend approx 16-24 hours studying nutrition during medical school and we all know that good nutrition is the foundation of good health yet doctors know next to nothing about it - that says it all really. The vast majority of them have been heavily indoctrinated by big pharma and they don't even realize it.
That's what I heard about doctors and their training schedule. Only a few hours on nutrition which just seems crazy to me.
I have always grown up knowing that food is medicine and can help heal ourselves with good quality foods.
Thanks for your response and comment. I appreciate the support.
Thanks for sharing we have 2 boys under 2 and did not vaccinate at all for both of them after heavily researching both sides..and seeing first hand a vaccine injury on our neighbours child..our midwife was on our side although the doctors were not...luckily we do not need government help with money as they refuse financial help if child is not vaccinated ..both our children are very happy and healthy so far..thanks for sharing ! God bless
Thanks for your reply. I'm so happy to hear about your choice and that you've got happy and healthy children. Thats sad for your neighbour and their child. I hope that they're doing ok now.
Thanks for your support.
May I ask - are you concerned with the effects this decision - especially if others were to stop being vaccinated as well - would have on herd immunity. It sounds like for much of your life you were surrounded by people who have been vaccinated - which would help to explain why you have not contracted any of the diseases vaccination prevents. However, the herd immunity which has protected you also relies on most everyone being vaccinated in the first place. Without hostility, have you considered the effect anti-vaxing would have if it went mainstream? We can already see some examples of herd immunity failing in discrete locations.
For what it's worth, you have my support from Wellington. And it looks like there are a lot of Steemians supporting you, by the response. Are you a member of the FB secret group Pavlova? If not, go to my website and email me for more info.
Thanks for your support kiwideb. It's worth a lot to me. I've not heard of that group but I'll take a look at your site and get in touch for more details. Thanks very much.
Hello, I stand with you on this issue. We too have felt the pressure from healthcare physicians about vaccinating or children. The whole medical system is a joke. Hogwash. It so currier. The doctors here get a bonus from insurance companies for each child that they have vaccinated in their care. Poisoning our children is a long term depopulation agenda. In a few generations it will sterilize them. With our first daughter we were young and didn't not know much about the controversial vaccination process. Trusting the medical system that they care and are providing genuine health guidance for human beings ( they treat us like inanimate objects) We had her vaccinated at the hospital at 1 day old ☹️ And again at 2 month some old 😩 And yet again at her 6 month mark😭. That day after her 6 month shot she spiked a very high fever (which they said was typical). Later in that evening she began convulsing and having mini seizures. She was a perfectly healthy baby before this. To see her baby beautiful body out of synch like this was devastating. We rushed her to hospital and they were of no help! It was awful! They monitored her overnight and after one more episode she never did that again. We were one of the lucky ones I that it did not cause any major lasting damage. It was at that point that we decided not to vaccinate any of our children. I wish I had known this before vaccinating our first born. As a parent all you want to do is protect, love and nurture your child, and we inadvertently put her in harms way. Vaccination is of the devil! We are in God's image; perfect and whole. I believe in the bodies ability to adapt and most times defeat sickness and viruses. I see vaccination as a product of fear. it is causing an enormous amount of problems, like we don't understand. It sickens me how bill gates is handing vaccines out like candies in third world countries where the people do not have access to true knowledge about these poison sticks. He is pro depopulation. What has this world come to where they will force us to vaccinate our children and we must live in hiding to protect them....they medical system is so screwed up. The birthing process is so screwed up. If you have a c-section you are so screwed also. C-section cost 30,000$ without anesthesia. they want you on that cycle to make hospitals and dr. More money. Birth is a beautiful thing and they have turned it into a game of profits. Laden with stress and fear. I hate dr scare tactics. That's what they go to school to do. Learn scare tactics. I remember being in high school and kids declaring they were going to college to become a dr because they make great money. It should not be this way! You must have a passion for health, people, and life in order to do the job correctly. Get out of the system as much as you can. We live off the grid. Sounds extreme, but extreme is what they are planing to do to us.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. That sounds absolutely terrifying what you went through with your first daughter.
I agree completely with your post. I love that you're living off the grid. That is something that I really want to do. It will be a slow process to get there and I have to convince my other half. He's slowly waking up and believing me when I tell him some stories, but most of the time he just thinks that I'm paranoid!
I also believe that the human body is capable of so much more than we give it credit for.
I'm happy that you understand that by us not vaccinating our child is how we are keeping her safe. We are not doing this as an experiment. This is us doing what we feel is best for her.
Thanks so much for sharing and commenting. I appreciate it.
I agree the human body is a superhero in a straight jacket! Lol
Being a mathematician, I take a calculated approach to many aspects of my life and life of my children. When it comes to vaccination it boils down to calculating the risks of being seriously affected by vaccinating or not vaccinating my child. Purely from this point of view, we decided to vaccinate our children from major diseases and don't bother having chicken pox or flu vaccines. This way the high risks are averted and we are ready to accept and deal with lower risks.
I must admit, when majority of children around you are vaccinated, the risk of your kid becoming ill is very small. It is much higher risk if most of the kids are not vaccinated and everybody becomes ill much quicker. So, at this moment in time, when majority of children are vaccinated, vaccinating the kids is better for a "greater good" rather than for your own child.
Ultimately it's your decision.
Thanks for commenting. Your approach is logical and makes sense.
Just to let you know, my 3 year old son is also not vaccinated, you are not alone. Keep up your intuition and critical thinking and don't let yourself intimidated and pressured into vaccinations!
Thanks so much. It's so nice how much support there is out there. I appreciate your comments and also knowing that I'm not alone.
I too support your decision. Well done. My child is not vaccinated & she's a super bright & healthy 10 year old. I had an adverse reaction to vaccines as an adult & then later learned about the dangers of mass vaccination when I was training to be a homeopath. Upvoted & followed.
Thanks for replying. Glad to hear that your child is doing well. That's scary about your reaction to the vaccines you had. I guess that's what I don't like the most. We don't know how it can affect us and by administering it in young babies they have no way to tell us if something is wrong.
I'm glad that you survived the reaction you had though.
Thanks for your comment and support. I appreciate it.
I agree with you.. will tell my story later.. trust your gut feeling ;)
Thanks so much. I'm keen to hear your story so I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm not getting notifications for replies at the moment so I'm manually checking for responses so sorry if there's a delay with me commenting.
I will post it ASAP need time lol.. but I really do agree with you! I follow you so we will chat later about this topic :)
Good on you and your partner for standing your ground!
Wish we knew what we know now about our government systems then we too wouldn't of got them.
We just do the 11 year old girl vaxx and wont be doing it for our other children.
It really showed after a day or two, and you can see the girls in the class that haven't had it yet to the ones that have.
It's really sad and parents are the ones made to feel like they are doing something wrong if they don't give it when it's the opposite.
Thank you for your reply. That's so interesting how you could pick which girls got vaccinated and the ones that didn't.
I agree that it is sad that parents are made to feel like they're doing something wrong. That's why I get so nervous when I share my point of view, I just never know what kind of response is waiting. I'm overwhelmed by the support on this post. It's amazing and makes me feel so happy that I'm not alone in this.
SMH- they ,medical 'professionals' all trained to poison us- good for you mum! You have one lucky daughter.
That for your support. I hope she thinks she's lucky once she's old enough to realise that she's got a mum that doesn't conform! I hope she's not embarrassed!!
Thanks for commenting.
My pleasure- you are doing the right thing- oh and I'll bet you your child doesn't develop autism either.
Woah, the amount of anti-vaccine sentiment on this thread is a little frightening.
Because of choices such as yours (which are still within your legal right), we are having breakouts of diseases we once thought almost eradicated completely. Measles, Mumps, Whooping cough - all returning in outbreaks.
ecentrally, do you take other safety precautions with your child? Safety belt?
Car seat? Wipe and clean things when they get dirty?
What is so different with a vaccine?
Hi, thanks for your response. I too am surprised by the number of people who share my views. I truly thought that I would be in a very small minority.
In answer to your questions, yes I take my child's safety very seriously. It has not been an off the cuff decision. I've looked at both sides, but for now I'm happy with the decision to not vaccinate.
The difference with a vaccine when compared to a seat belt, in my opinion, is that it is not a one size fits all type of scenario we are dealing with. A vaccine for you would be exactly the same for me. They don't take into consideration family history of allergies, illness etc. My sister had a bad reaction and required a long stay in hospital due to it. She now has been diagnosed with MS which is an autoimmune disease. I can't say that it was caused by her allergic reaction to the vaccines but we can't rule it out either.
With that history in my family, and the fact that I myself have not been immunised, I couldn't say for sure if I'm allergic or if my daughter is.
So to me it's quite different to cleaning dirty toys or putting on a seatbelt. Those things can be undone, unlike damage that can potentially be caused by vaccines. I'm not willing to take that risk with my daughter.
These anti-vaxxers are idiots. Thanks to the polio vaccine, no one gets polio anymore. Thanks to the smallpox vaccine, no one gets smallpox anymore. I support their right to not get vaccines, but they don't have the right to send their kids to a school that says all kids have to be vaccinated. Where I live, if you want to send your kid to school, they have to get the shots.
Can you imagine what life would be like if they had not invented a polio vaccine?
That's not why polio disappeared. That's what they told everyone so that they will get vaccines. Consider the source:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/02/18/the-polio-vaccine-myth-the-vaccine-stopped-polio/
30 years from now when the DNA chain is ruined from vaccinators. They will be looking for non vaccinated people to repopulate. It's a game of who is smart enough to avoid the traps.
"The science behind vaccinations has long been proven to be completely ineffective." Total BS, like the entire article. Why anyone would believe this is beyond me.
I don't think anyone could watch that video and still think vaccines are some sort of conspiracy to "lead people to the slaughterhouse". Your mind is made up. You are playing Russian Roulette with your children's lives. The BBC (which isn't American, of course) is the most respected news source on the planet. No man is an island. The time will come sooner or later when you will need "the healthcare system".
They believe it because it is the truth. Anyway this is such a controversial topic that I will just leave it here. Have a good day, my friend!
The Polio Story - The Vaccine That Changed the World
The increase in human lifespan is due to vaccines. This is from the BBC.
In thirty years, many non-vaccinated kids will be dead.
To clarify- as long as un-vaccinated kids are surrounded by other kids who DO have vaccinations, they are protected by "herd immunity". There is no way for the infection to spread if most kids are vaccinated. However if an un-vaccinated kid goes to a place where many other people aren't vaccinated, watch out. Also if the level of other unvaccinated kids reaches a high level, it will also be a problem. Unvaccinated kids benefit from everyone else getting vaccinations. If your kid is unvaccinated, I would be careful about going to airports and other places where there are crowds of people from other places.
Off course BBC WILL PUT THIS VIDEO OUT. They want people to believe in the vaccines and get them. It is herd to the slaughterhouse. They world is overpopulated my man. The damage that vaccines cause is also well documented. This is part of the plan for think g out the masses. Have you seen the georgia guide stones? It's a bigger plan at work here. Don't you believe in your body, your immune system. It's criminal that you think it's ok to pump a human body full of toxic chemical like mercury and cells of aborted babies, let along children. Those small defenseless bodies being altered before they have had a chance to develop naturally.
https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/unvaccinated-children-much-lower-rates-chronic-illness-jackson-state-study-finds/
I hope more countries follow the actions of Sweden on vaccines. I believe in pro choice. Even though I don't like some choices people make. I still believe they have the right to make them. The fact that vaccinators feel the need to force everyone like. "Herd" to do something is MAJOR red flag. That not the kind of world we should be living in my friend.
http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-16-sweden-outlaws-coercive-mandatory-vaccines-laws-citing-violations-of-the-swedish-constitution.html
Dig a little deeper with the facts. Look for third party studies. Not backed by big pharma dollars. They want you sick and dependent on their healthcare system. Self sufficiency is POWER! Love over fear.
My wife and I have gone through the same ordeal. We decided to get our daughter a tetanus shot just in case she fell and cut herself somewhere and that's it.
Every time we take her in for a check up we are pressured into giving her this shot and that shot. I remember when she was about 8-9 months they wanted to give her 4 shots in one visit.
I believe in the science behind vaccines. What I don't get or trust is the increased doses children are receiving now days. I also don't like the fact these pharmaceutical corporations can't be sued if their product is shown to have hurt someone thanks to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program set up by our loving government.
You are not alone in your journey. My wife and I are expecting twins and its back to the drawing board for us LoL!
I agree! I understand the science behind it and the theory of how they work but totally agree that 4 shots in one go is too much for an 8 month old.
Wow twins! That's so exciting! Good luck with them. I bet that they'll be so much fun.
Thank you! I can't wait to meet them. Stay strong and good luck with your little one!
I wish my brother was able to get a measles vaccine. He suffered severely from getting the measles, and other kids have died. Your child will be ostracized from attending events because she is un-vaccinated as well. all the best
I'm so sorry to hear about your brother. That is very sad for you and your family.
One guy getting measles shouldn't be the reason to compromise all of us. We can't live in fear. Things happen. We can't stop everything from happening. Food is medicine not chemicals.
Not one guy. Many other tragedies from measles. Author Roald Dahl's daughter died from measles at age 7. Perhaps there is another side to it. Some may feel that un-vaccinated children in classrooms are compromising the rest of the class.
I see...and some may feel that the tragedies of the injured or deseased are compromising the lives of the living. We shouldn't have to live in fear injecting ourselves and children with toxic chemical because some one did not make it. Yes it is sad, but this is life. The classroom is actually ruining it for the unvaccinated children. Compromising their freedom of choice. That doesn't matter though, because if you are smart enough to say no to vaccine, I hope you are smart enough to say no to mass indoctrination of children in the school system. Instead of vaccines people should have grief counseling. These vaccines are opening a whole new can of worms. I just hope more people like @ecentrally52 stand up for the truth. I can see your point of view though. I'll leave it at that.
All about making money, big pharma.
Big Pharma big corporations... if there's a good Corporation; i never heard of it !! People in suits sit around, shake hands; next thing you know, we're all up ShT Creek without a paddle ...
Yep, agreed! Thanks for commenting.
Stick to your guns, you are doing the right thing.
I've read some horror stories of Babies having complications, after being vaxxed/ immunised.
Be brave and hold to your opinions.
Thank you. I will stay the course. If they haven't bullied me into it by now, they never will!
Wow! What you are going through is what my wife and I are going through, but with my family, as my grandmother works for the state, and actually gives vaccines.
Oh no, that's awkward. Hopefully your grandmother can respect your decision. Good luck.
Thanks for this! Vaccinating should remain a choice! I'm still on the fence about the whole thing, I feel many of the vaccinations are unnecessary, But others can be helpful! I'm glad you are giving your kids a choice! When they are older, If they want the vaccinations, They can get them! :)
Statistically, they may never reach that age if enough people do not get vaccinated and remove any the safety of herd immunity.
This chart presupposes that being "sick" is something bad. What if it's not?
Polio. Measles. Mumps. Whooping cough. Smallpox.
Some of these things can't just be treated and cured, or have lasting scarring on the body.
What is bad about any of those? I think we can forget about smallpox, as it is literally eradicated thanks to vaccines and treatments. But if we just look at the others... what's bad about getting them and treating them? Is the medical profession incapable of dealing with them? Is there something bad about getting or treating a disease?
the graphic is utter nonsense. There's no evidence for 'herd immunity' from vaccination (it refers to natural immunity built up from many in a population contracting the disease).
You understand what vaccination is right?
Vaccination is purposely developing immunity in people by giving them a damaged or weak version of the disease. Their body than creates the necessary antibodies to fight off the real disease should they every encounter it.
Herd immunity is simply showing that with enough people actually immune, you'll protect a small segment that is not vaccinated. However, if that segment becomes too large, the disease will spread.
Think of it like someone wanting to paintball you. We've given some people shields. If enough people have shields, you will never get hit by a paintball or the splatter of a paintball. If too few people have shields, you will almost certainly get hit by paint.
Vaccine-induced herd immunity is (mostly) a myth. There's lots of holes in the 'herd immunity through vaccines' theory, a glaringly obvious one is: Most Vacc only last from 2 - 10 years. Therefore IF the particular vaccine was conferring herd immunity to a particular age group, then the herd immunity would decrease over a few years to levels WAAAAAY lower than that supposedly necessary to stop an outbreak of the disease.
Most adults walking around (i.e most of the population) haven't been vaccinated in many years & therefore wouldn't be immune to all those 'deadly' illnesses like: measles, mumps, rubella, Diptheria, Chicken pox (!!) etc etc. There's therefore NO herd immunity effect here, but the people aren't dropping down dead everywhere.
Herd immunity is a myth propigated to try & sell more vaccines to more people more frequently.
Here's a nice quote: "If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations.
There's some very useful information here: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/02/18/the-deadly-impossibility-of-herd-immunity-through-vaccination-by-dr-russell-blaylock/
Not a myth - just simple math.
Just because an immunity may wane does not make it ineffective. A high efficacy combined with a high vaccine rate can still 'starve' out a disease - exactly like we did with smallpox and polio.
Data on measles:
And 4-12 years is a little bit of a misrepresentation:
Source: https://thoughtscapism.com/2015/04/20/the-simple-math-of-herd-immunity/
And its spelled 'propagated'.
You are welcome to the last word, but I would recommend doing additional research beyond a blog with absolutely no reference or external sources. Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing.
It's obviously not going to be a productive discussion when I'm being suspected of 'confirmation bias' (i.e I'm illogical in comparison to you). The link was intended to explain my viewpoint, but I see this has devolved rapidly into trading 'references & sources' & that's a game I have no interest in wasting my time on.
Thank you for assuming that I had done only cursory research on this subject & for correcting any small spelling errors you notice, it's an endearing quality.
Being sick builds up the immune system. So it is stronger and can naturally
protect you. If Unvaccinated people spread the illness why is it that the ones who catch the illness are the vaccinated individuals. Shouldn't they be protected from it? After all that is why they got the vaccine. Don't blame the unvaccinated. Call your dr. And ask him why it didn't work.
It's definitely a tough decision to work through. I agree that it should remain a choice for people too. Thanks for commenting.
Thank you for sharing your story. I know how you feel about being "pressured" into getting your child vaccinated. I was initially on the fence about vaccinations. While I know I definitely didn't want my child to contract polio or some other awful and life-threatening disease, I felt (and still feel) that some of the vaccinations are completely unnecessary. I discussed this with my child's doctor and I felt like I had a bait and switch pulled on me. I thought that my child was getting only certain vaccinations but after they had been administered I had realized that they weren't administering what I thought they were at all. I felt really angry about this and had even switched doctors but then after being pressured relentlessly and the doctor threatening to take my child off their patient list (there were only two pediatricians in my area) I felt I had no other choice but to finish the job. Thankfully we have had no complications but whenever I think about it I get extremely annoyed that my rights as a parent were violated like that.
I was doing some research a few months back; I found that courts corporations Blacks/Westminster law/Maritime/admiralty law, birth certificates, banks and debt, lawyers and doctors are all interrelated. If you study the language/etymology and lingo you can uncover some really strange things. Maritime law or seafaring law was applied to the courts and medical areas. Navel/naval. Birth/berth. Carriage/Mis-Carriage. Seaman. Referring to ships as "she". Its all related back to royal bloodline navy, but my point is that they see people as slaves. A mom is a vessel delivering a slave. The DOCKtor unloads the slave at the dock and immediately begins strange ceremonies and legal customs to claim the child for britian. People say, but we fought against britian in revolutionary war and we are free...hahahahaha, no. They see people as slaves, property who are only worth their "labor"- labor delivering babies and labor keeping slaves alive (farming) and mining and making tech advances until they dont need many of us anymore - after people get older and cant labor, they dont want them hanging around - thats why they are always poisoning foods, pushing soda in aluminum cans, and spending millions on got milk and vaccine campaigns - they want people to have enough energy to give labor, but not enough o think clearly or fight back. they want to people to be poisoned slowly over 60 years and then to die fairly young.
the schemes are elaborate and complex and have been carried out over long term like thousands of years which means there are beings or entities of some type directing things. This sounds crazy, but its the only thesis that explains all the things dont make sense. like why they put fluoride in water, why they have schools why they use pesticides and polluting oil and have families homeless instead of just making things good for everyone. The bottom line is that people are slaves labor is to pay the debts...its an ancient story being played out over and over.
Thanks for commenting. Your story is awful. I would have been terribly upset if they had done that with me and my daughter. Thank goodness that there were no issues caused.
I think the problem arose because I allowed them to do some but not others. For instance, I didn't feel it was necessary for my child to have a flu shot because they're not always completely effective and I wasn't going to be putting him in daycare. I also didn't think a hepatitis shot was necessary because I wasn't anticipating my 3mo old to become an intravenous drug user. Both of these were administered without my knowledge. Yes, I did sign off on the papers but I had made it clear that I wasn't interested in having him vaccinated for those things and they gave them to him anyway along with other shots after assuring me that they wouldn't be doing so.
That's so interesting and no, it doesn't sound crazy to me. It seems plausible.
My dad was a model citizen by those standards. He worked hard his entire life and died (from cancer) one day after he turned 65 which is retirement age here. He never claimed his pension as he didn't live long enough to do so.
I'm intrigued by the language/etymology you've referenced and I am going to look into it. Thanks for commenting.
I'm supporting you. No one has any rights to treat you for
Thank you for your support. I appreciate it.
Thanks for posting this @ecentrally. You have done so well to stand up to the medical system about this extremely important decision. And well on you for taking that stand and sharing about it. It is a shame that anyone in the medical profession treats patients like this. We are living in BC, Canada where it is still up to the parents to choose for their children and that is amazing. Our son is also not vaccinated and is 19months. He has been sick once in that time and has an amazing immune system. I have seen and read some terrible horror stories about vaccine injury and it is much worse then people even understand or comprehend for that matter. If at the very least people want to vaccinate their children, wait til they are 3 and the immune system is working properly and then only 1 at a time in long intervals, with detox measures in place. The schedule is way to toxic for small hearts and brains. Thanks again for speaking out, it is a subject that needs healthy conversation.
Thanks for your response. I'm glad that you live somewhere where there's still a choice. I will be disappointed and seriously considering a new country to live in if our rights of these choices are taken from us.
Congratulations on your boy. He sounds very healthy indeed and very lucky to have you as a parent.
I like your plan to wait until 3 years for vaccines. They start them here at 6 weeks. That's just too early.
Thanks for commenting and for your support. I appreciate it.
excellent share - thank you
Thanks for your comment. I appreciate it.
Your not abusing your child, I don't see the problem. Do I agree with you? Honestly I never conducted my own research to have an opposing views. But I have shots and I am fine. I would like to see studies that prove that vaccines are bad for you. Maybe I'll look more into it.
Thanks for commenting. It's definitely an interesting subject to research.
I actually did. I read a personal blog and I wanted to share it but I kind of felt guilty, didn't want you to think I was trying to change your view. I looked at personal blogs of moms like yourself and personally I think its 50/50 One mom loves it and another mom wished she had of done it.
One mom said because she wasn't vaccinated as a kid she was always sick, so in result she vaccinates her daughter and her daughter does not get sick like she did as a kid.
Read personal blogs rather than the medical debates. At the end of the day, it is all up to you.
Good idea, thanks for that.
While I do think vaccines are generally safe and good ways to prevent disease, every single individual should have the right to choose for him or her self whether or not to inject it.
Doing as some nations do now and forcing parrents to vaccinate their kids is a highly unethical procedure. We need more money to go to education and research, not forced injections.
Thanks for commenting. Yes, it's pretty scary to think that some countries are forcing vaccines. That would be enough for me to move if it happens here. I think that everyone should always have a choice for anything that impacts them - not just vaccines.
There is a problem in which some children can't get any vaccines for their health and when there are more and more non-vaccinated children, they are at higher risk of getting the disease. When majority of population is vaccinated, they'll get the cover from disease as disease can't spread with majority being vaccinated.
It is though a shame, that there are narrow options to leave vaccines out, but it's life of the children at risk - not the life of parents. And not even only your own children,but children of others too.
However, I believe in peoples own choices and I agree that money needs to go to education and research.
The risks can't be ignored, that's true. But choices of what to do with ones own body has to remain a personal choice rather than a political one.
It's up to us as adults to protect the rights of children of an age where they can reason and communicate, not to have to bend to the will of other individuals out of a statistical risk.
When the child can't make such choices and there is no direct impeding danger, the parrent is the next to make such choices for its offspring. Not the government.
I can see your point and I agree, government should have less control on our lives. And I see that in general too, nobody should think government always does the best decisions for us.
Just as out of intrest, as you say you don't belive in vaccines, do you not believe they work or are they just something you want to avoid?
It's something that I want to avoid. Sorry, I wasn't very clear on a few things in my post. I do believe the theory behind vaccines. I just think that we are trying to manufacture things that the human body is capable of doing on its own.
Ah, I was already worried then. We all have our own ways to evaluate what is the best for us and our loved ones, and even though I'll give all basic vaccines to my children, as I'm not willing to take risk with some diseases (like tetanus), but I'm on general up for giving more power to our own immune system. All the strength for immune system comes from good food and natural contact with bacteria etc. and one of best things my son can do is to dig some dirt and mud outside.
We can't live in a sterile world and we shouldn't try to do so either.
Sorry, this went a bit off tracks, but I got over excited about human body and it's capabilities :)
This is a good video and review of a book about vaccination. you might be interested.
also, as i understand it, vaccines don't have to be riddled with chemicals. there are different ways to vaccinate, and some vaccines are only biological in nature, in fact traditional vaccines where like that. allthough I dont know if you'll find vaccines like that today. A Friend of mine, who has a company selling bio-chemicals did tell me about it. sadly, we didn't go into details about it.
Thanks for the video. I'm part way through and will watch the rest later today. Seems good so far.
My goodness yes I remember this! 3 of my children are unvaccinated and we'd still be hearing about this (youngest is now just short of 10 years old!) in this same fashion from doctors and nurses if we didn't avoid them.
Surely it is counterproductive to make parents feel unable to visit the doctor due to fear of intimidation.
Intimidation is what they are doing.
Luckily, my 3 unvaccinated children never need a doctor, haven't had antibiotics or even pain killers.
My eldest (my 4th) was vaccinated and has always be so much sicker. I learned better after her.
Now I work as a homeopath with children who are vaccine damaged and I see child after child after child who has regressed after vaccines (losing language and cognitive skills). Then I see milder cases who developed eczema and ear infections and asthma after early vaccinations, just like my eldest daughter.
Stick to your guns. ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for commenting. Your experience with your children speaks volumes to me. Also, how sad for all the children you see as part of your work. Definitely makes me want to stick with it, and I'm sure I can too.
Thanks so much for your support.
My pleasure @ecentrally x
This is a very good book on the subject: "The Vaccine Book: Making the right decision for your child" by Robert W. Sears. It is available on Amazon.
Thank you for this. I will take a look at it. Thanks for commenting.
Thank you for standing & speaking up for you & your child's health. You are a shining example my friend :) Much love and bright blessings to you & yours!
Namaste
Thank you for your response and for your support. I'm pleasantly surprised by all the positive support.
My pleasure! You are creating a better world through your choices and embodiment of them. Keep up the great work my friend!
Much Love!
More Power to You !!! You did the right thing !! Though it was the more difficult Path; it was actually the Safer one ... Respect ... like you i have declined EVERY Vaccine for my precious little girls.. As for myself; Unfortunately, having once been Government property, in the Marine Corp, i've been inspected and injected with just about every experimental concoction ever dreamed up..
Thanks for commenting. Good on you for not vaccinating your precious wee girls. It's a shame for you, but unfortunately sometimes we have to do things we don't want for our jobs.
Thanks for your support.
Good for you. Stick to your guns, you made the right decision for all the reasons above, which I won't repeat and bore everyone senseless...
Thanks for replying. It's great having so much support. Thanks.
Long as you researched everything you could think of (not just stuff that supports the position you want to take) then you've made the right decision with what you know at the time and that's the best you can do :)
Thanks for commenting. Yea, I feel we've made an informed decision for now. We will probably have to review again in a few years when it's time for school....unless I can convince the other half to get on board with unschooling!
Careful with that unschooling stuff, it tends to lead to kids who are confident, self-possessed and question everything ;D
Brilliant! Sounds perfect to me.
You might not think that when you just want them to do as you bloody told them and they're trying to question and negotiate but long term yes XD
Stand your ground!! These people are duped by big pharma and their desire to help is used against them.
Thanks, yes I will stand my ground. Especially now I have a few more things to help me out when they next raise it.