I usually don't post something without watching it first.. But.. I've been waiting for this debate for like a couple weeks!
Whatever side of the issue you are on in regards to health/nutrition and animal rights and all that, this should be a fascinating watch for almost anyone.. Cause even most meat eaters think eating raw meat is bizarre and dangerous, so.. I think most people who are interested in this kind of stuff will be interested in this debate and I'm just going to share it even though I haven't seen it.
I very much look forward to listening to this later when I get a chance!
Cheers.
This is really weird to watch it that people also consume raw meat.
Ever eaten Beef Jerky?
No
Too bad. You have missed a life experience.
thank you for sharing
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You're welcome! Thanks for the upvote.
I'm a meat eater, and I eat many kinds of raw meat, and I dont only mean biting my cuticles. Its not bizarre at all.
I eat prosciutto - raw pork thats been allowed to dry out and rot a little for a year or so - cold smoked salmon - which is delicious, and even unadulterated - from the animal raw meat - such as raw salmon, raw tuna (sushi), raw clams and oysters, even raw beef (carpaccio).
All I ask is that its safe from pathogens - the same way I expect my cooked meats and even salads to be.
Well look. Probably something like 90% of the world cooks it's meat, outside of like some rare cultures who aren't very healthy like the Inuit. Virtually all of our restaurants and experts stress the importance of cooking your meat to avoid getting sick, sushi has sort of been an exception, though.. I would say is not widespread in the US. So.. I think it's pretty fringe, and to most people it is bizarre. I'm pretty sure that's what I said in my OP.
How do you know your raw meat is safe, when sometimes worms and parasites and stuff like that even survive cooking?
Also.. Can you tell me what studies you have that show that eating raw meat is healthy?
The Inuit, by the way, were reasonably healthy on their mostly animal diet. Since the introduction of wheat, soda, pizza and other plant-based foods, their health has plummeted, with increasing diabetes, heart attacks and strokes.
Thats how I could write that if I were to write it as you put your side of the debate.
The reality is that overconsumption is the problem - not whether the stuff that is being overconsumed is plant-based or animal based.
In addition to overconsumption, there is the issue of contamination and spoilage, which is also true of both.
Ultimately, the solution is not to binge on animal fat or on plant starches, either of which is more or less unhealthy if taken to excess, and which will keep you short of vitamins,
The answer is to eat a balanced diet, not too much of anything.
We should eat, as Michael Pollan writes, "Food, Not too much, Mostly plants".
Thats it. We need to cut down on animal fats and on plant starches, we need to get enough minerals and vitamins, and we need some protein, some good fats, and some starch.
As long as you dont skew your diet too far one way or another, you'll be OK.
The big killers are overeating and imbalance.
The Inuit have horrible health, horrible bone problems, horrible heart health, they die young.. If you wanna model your health on that.. I dunno what to say, look unbiased studies, not the ones which were cherry picked for the Paleo fad.
A lot of this was determined before all that stuff you mentioned.. Back in like.. 1970 I think? Or maybe even earlier. They aren't healthy, there's never been an unbiased study showing they were.
It's funny you blame plants on all of that but don't mention any animal products.. It seems like you're biased and not interested in a real discussion.
According to studies anything more than like 10% animal protein becomes a problem.. So.. Yeah.. It's like smoking a cig once and a while versus being a chain smoker, but it's not healthy.
You probably won't get cancer if you eat meat once and a while, but if you chain eat it, much better odds!
This is specific to ANIMAL PROTEIN, NOT PLANT PROTEIN.
If you eat meat more than like once a week, you're probably eating too much.
"If you eat meat more than like once a week, you're probably eating too much."
You need some perspective. Bacon is one of the worst meats out there..
"As Cancer Research UK points out in an astute blog, colorectal cancer is itself relatively rare. If you eat barely any meat, there is a 5.6% risk of developing the disease over your lifetime; even if you pig out on bacon and ham every day, it only rises to about 6.6%. In other words, for every 100 people who stop eating bacon, only one will have avoided cancer. To put that in perspective, consider the figures for tobacco: for every 100 smokers who give up, 10-15 lives may be saved. The two are hardly comparable." http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151029-are-any-foods-safe-to-eat-anymore-heres-the-truth
All the meats he described are cured meats when aren't actually raw by definition. As for fish that is fairly safe to eat raw if you don't take into account heavy metal bioaccumialtion.
I'm currently vegan but recent reading has made me question my diet. Many of the foods I eat to replace what I would get from meat has lectins in them. This includes the nightshade family, beans, soy, root vegetables and many more. Lectins are endocrine disrupters that effect hormone regulation and can cause mental health issues and even shrinking of the brain. This has led me on a path to figuring out if I can still maintain a vegan diet while staying away from foods with lectin in it.
"All the meats he described are cured meats when aren't actually raw by definition."
You have a funny definition of "Raw". Beef jerky is dried raw meat.
I think of "raw" as "uncooked", not "undried".
Silly me.
I cheerfully eat raw beef. Raw, as in undried, uncooked, although I do add salt for flavor.
This entire argument is absurd. meat and vegetables can both be spoiled. In many cases, people prefer them to be spoiled. There are those nasty "bury a fish-head on the beach" foods, and there are the fermented (rotted) vegetable foods. Chacun a son gout. Chinese people eat "thousand-year-old-eggs" and "stinky tofu" (yuk).
And then there is Natto.
Basically, fermented protein is highly stinky. Whether that is stinky cheese, cheese with maggots in it, sharkmeat thats been rotted for months, soybeans that have been rotted, fish that have been rotted as fish sauce - its all highly stinky.
Fermented carbs, if you are lucky, just go sour. If unlucky, you are talking aflatoxins. You know those dented cans that can kill you?
The take home is this: bacteria can kill or cure. The difference between probiotic and killer toxin is the toss of a coin. Badly canned tomatoes? Dicing with death, not dicing tomatoes.
This is not an argument between meat and veg, its an argument about which bugs will kill you and which wont. Its a debate on food hygiene, and whether its best to kill all bacteria or to eat "live foods".
Beef jerky is a meat that is hard dried. All the moisture is taken out of it and can last for several years. You can brine and cure bacon for several years as well in salt and water. Once you want to use it you have to wash of the salt.
Do you really think this guy buys salami, keeps it at room temperature and waits 4 months before eating it? He's likely buying groceries every week like most modern people and isn't eating meat outside it's date.
Can you also tell me what statistic you got the 90% of all meat eaten is cooked and the fact that all restaurants stress the importance of cooked meat. Last time I checked most places offered blue rare that are steakhouses.
I'm on mobile ATM but I can show you how most of the vegetables you eat are not good for your body either (I mentioned it in my last comment)
What I think we have here is an interpretation problem. We have an infinite amount of facts at our disposable to prove both points.
I came here by way of the title... curious about how "raw meat eaters" actually would define themselves.
Point being, I eat sushi; I like my steak rare, I might eat "steak tartare" now and then, I'll eat "cold smoked" salmon, pickled herring and other things...
What strikes me most about the whole thing is "food handling." I was born and raised in Denmark... I don't remember people freaking out over raw/undercooked meat... and I don't remember people getting sick. When I first arrived in the US (1981) people flipped out all around me if the hamburgers were cooked to anything less than the consistency of a hockey puck.
So I'm not sure what gives.
Truth in disclosure, I did NOT watch 5 hours of video... meanwhile, on a lighter note, here's satirist JP Sears taking on this topic:
ohh its a long video and sure i watch it later when i free @apolymask sir i think it contain on good thought video
Overall, everything I say can be distilled very simply; you can take ANY fad diet - eating raw meat, eating only raw foods, eating only Soylent, eating only vegan, Paleo, Atkins and so on and so on, and you will find people who are SURE that all the research points their way. And those who follow the diet religiously (and it usually IS a religion in their lives) usually are healthier. Why? Because people eat less when they eat monotonous diets.
For decades we were told that "all studies show that eating fats are bad for you"
Guess what; what everyone knew was wrong.
There were far more studies saying that eating fat was bad for you than eating meat is bad for you, and they were all dead wrong. Switching away from fat led to a corresponding shift to carbohydrate and gave us the sick world we have to day.
People eat meat worldwide and life far healthier than many US vegetarians.
Why? Two main factors. (1) Amount of calories in US is excessive. A vegetarian fast food diet - fries (plant oil fried), Veggie Pizza, Veggie Chimichangas and all the rest - is a killing diet. (2) Excessive carbohydrates are a killer. Far worse than fat or protein.
For every study you show me on meat, I'll show you a study on how Tofu has harmful isoflavones. Or how beans contain lectins and have to be prepared very carefully. Or cyanides. Or green potatoes. Or you picked the wrong mushrooms.
Do more people die of steak or mushrooms worldwide?
The simple answer is to remember that fads come and fads go; and what we were told was healthy yesterday (margarine!) turns out to be a killer today (margarine - trans fats).
So just eat a balanced diet.
Furthermore, a balanced diet = a balanced ecosystem. Keeping chickens, ducks, etc. makes for a far healthier small farm than one based on sprays and poisons and artificial fertilizers. If we all subsisted on corn and soy, our farms would be soy and corn monocultures (bicultures?).
Our food should resemble a natural ecosystem - mostly perennials, mostly plants, some meat.
Anything else and you are speaking a religion, not a science.