Sorry I didn't mean all plants, there are surely poisonous plants out there. I wasn't saying that ALL plants are healthy, I meant edible plants as opposed to meat.
Now I gotta get going for a while, my time is up. I'll respond more later.
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Did you mean that all meats are unhealthy? Because all edible meats are not.
Yeah; edible plants and edible meats are edible, and non-edible plants and non-edible meats are not edible. I agree 100% with this.
In general though, because plants are immobile, they are likely to contain more toxins than meat. Try eating a bowl of chillis, or a bowl of lemons (including the pith and skin) or a bowl of basil. Thats the SAFE plants, without even getting into potatoes that have gone green, or veggies that have gone rotten.
Try eating raw (shelled) beans and lentils and you'll be going to the hospital. They are full of lectins, plant poisons. And those are the EDIBLE plants.
Heck, I bloat up like crazy if I eat Jerusalem artichokes, boiled mustard greens or sprouts, all of which I live. Eat too much and I'll be in agony of those COOKED AND PERFECTLY SAFE plant-based foods.
Give me something my stomach can handle, like 4 ounces of raw beef, anyday.
This shouldnt be a war about one OR the other - there are always exceptions and anecdotes and isolated studies and problems with processing.
The truth is that we should eat about 1800 calories of a diet including about 70% non-starchy plants. That's about it.
Meat-only eaters can comensate with metamucil and vitamin pills. Vegans can compensate by eating the settled dregs of beer-brewing or vitamin pills.
But just eat a balanced diet and you'll be better off.
If you eat a lot of starch right now, you really need to cut back hugely. Thats the advice I can give you.
Only have a couple minutes to respond real quick then I gotta go again.. But...
Pretty much. Anything over like 10% of your protein from meat is bad, and other research shows there is really no safe amount of meat.. It's not a health source, it's more of a survival option if you're desperate.
In regards to you saying plants are more likley to be dangerous and all that other stuff about how you react poorly to some plants, and yeah some people have allergies to some plants as well, like some people can break out from touching a peanut and die. That doesn't mean all plants are bad, and there's enough of them that you can find ones you're not allergic to.
I've never personally that I can remember ever had a bad response from any plants. And.. I feel healthier since going vegan in virtually all ways.. So.. The personal experience speaks for itself,the countless athletes out there winning world records and beating the meat eaters speak for itself. The geniuses like Einstein and Tesla who advocated such speak volumes as well. Plants are superior. Modern and ancient knowledge shows this, and personal experience and obvious observation of athletics.
You're arguing a losing battle, and.. What you said earlier about freezing meat to make it safe.. Sorry. Doesn't work.
"Think that freezing food kills E. coli and other nasty microbes? Think again.
That's the lesson from the new E. coli outbreak caused by frozen chicken quesadillas and other snacks that has sickened 24 people in 15 states.
Freezing does slow down the microbes that cause food to spoil, but it's pretty much useless for killing dangerous bugs.
"It actually does a pretty good job of preserving many of the pathogens and microbes that will cause problems later if thawed out," says Trevor Suslow, an extension research specialist at the University of California, Davis, who studies food safety."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/04/04/176242166/freezing-food-doesnt-kill-e-coli-and-other-germs
So.. Now that you know you can't freeze your meat to make it safe.. What do you say? I know I know.. You'll say.. You can't freeze plants to make them safe either! Or something like that.. Smh... Then I could remind you all the e coli and shit was from diseased farm animals who shit on the plants.. I mean how many wild animals out there in nature are getting e coli from eating off the land?
To me it just seems so clear and obvious in virtually every way.. I don't understand how you can continue to try to argue this when virtually ALL of the evidence is against you.
"I've never personally that I can remember ever had a bad response from any plants. And.. I feel healthier since going vegan in virtually all ways.. So.. The personal experience speaks for itself"
I've never had a bad response from a steak, and I have been FAR healthier - with blood numbers to back it up - since I eliminated plant-based foods (starches) from my diet.
The personal experience speaks for itself.
"What you said earlier about freezing meat to make it safe.. Sorry. Doesn't work.
"Think that freezing food kills E. coli and other nasty microbes? Think again."
The freezing was in response to Sushi parasites, which definitely works. I made that clear, so you are deliberately distorting.
Think E. Coli doesn't come in salads? Think again. http://www.about-ecoli.com/ecoli_outbreaks/news/is-it-safe-to-eat-lettuce-amid-e.-coli-outbreak/#.WYjF4CMrJcw
". I mean how many wild animals out there in nature are getting e coli from eating off the land?"
Cattle eat their own feces all the time. (they shit on their food source) - in the wild, that is. They also eat parasites from the grass, and so on.
Plants are spectacularly susceptible to being shit on by diseased animals. Why? Because they cant move. Dogs pee on grass, as do deer, raccoons, and you just KNOW that bears shit in the woods.
The one place that it is safe to eat without fear of shit contamination is to take out a muscle from an animal and eat it. There is no E. Coli contamination within muscle. There may be in the intestine or on the skin, but not in the muscle. Your wild-foraged greens, however, I suggest you wash very carefully.
Most of what you write is in the "it's so obvious I dont have to prove it, many people are saying, everyone knows" logical fallacy camp, so no point in responding to that.
"The geniuses like Einstein and Tesla who advocated such speak volumes as well. "
Here's a more extensive list of their habits...
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170612-what-you-can-learn-from-einsteins-quirky-habits
Tesla squished his toes 100 times every morning to stimulate his brain cells. He also preferred celibacy until he fell in love with a pigeon (transferred meat pangs, I suppose). Pythagoras banned the eating of legumes. Einstein himself was an avid smoker, so we can dismiss his healthful example.
All of this is of course as pointless as your red herring to begin with.