It is hopeless!

in #philosophy7 years ago

How can I ever possibly stop

and find time for even fleeting closer looks at,
and enjoyment of,
some of the wondrous places
passing by in a flash?

Hopeless!

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The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

BY T. S. ELIOT

S’io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma percioche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s’i’odo il vero,
Senza tema d’infamia ti rispondo.

Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherized upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question ...
Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”
Let us go and make our visit.

In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

And indeed there will be time
For the yellow smoke that slides along the street,
Rubbing its back upon the window-panes;
There will be time, there will be time
To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet;
There will be time to murder and create,
And time for all the works and days of hands
That lift and drop a question on your plate;
Time for you and time for me,
And time yet for a hundred indecisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions,
Before the taking of a toast and tea.

In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

And indeed there will be time
To wonder, “Do I dare?” and, “Do I dare?”
Time to turn back and descend the stair,
With a bald spot in the middle of my hair —
(They will say: “How his hair is growing thin!”)
My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,
My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin —
(They will say: “But how his arms and legs are thin!”)
Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.

For I have known them all already, known them all:
Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,
I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;
I know the voices dying with a dying fall
Beneath the music from a farther room.
So how should I presume?

And I have known the eyes already, known them all—
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?
And how should I presume?

And I have known the arms already, known them all—
Arms that are braceleted and white and bare
(But in the lamplight, downed with light brown hair!)
Is it perfume from a dress
That makes me so digress?
Arms that lie along a table, or wrap about a shawl.
And should I then presume?
And how should I begin?

Shall I say, I have gone at dusk through narrow streets
And watched the smoke that rises from the pipes
Of lonely men in shirt-sleeves, leaning out of windows? ...

I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.

And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so peacefully!
Smoothed by long fingers,
Asleep ... tired ... or it malingers,
Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me.
Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,
Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis?
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed,
Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter,
I am no prophet — and here’s no great matter;
I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,
And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker,
And in short, I was afraid.

And would it have been worth it, after all,
After the cups, the marmalade, the tea,
Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me,
Would it have been worth while,
To have bitten off the matter with a smile,
To have squeezed the universe into a ball
To roll it towards some overwhelming question,
To say: “I am Lazarus, come from the dead,
Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all”—
If one, settling a pillow by her head
Should say: “That is not what I meant at all;
That is not it, at all.”

And would it have been worth it, after all,
Would it have been worth while,
After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets,
After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor—
And this, and so much more?—
It is impossible to say just what I mean!
But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen:
Would it have been worth while
If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl,
And turning toward the window, should say:
“That is not it at all,
That is not what I meant, at all.”

No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous—
Almost, at times, the Fool.

I grow old ... I grow old ...
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

I do not think that they will sing to me.

I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

Source: Collected Poems 1909-1962 (1963)

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Time, the Merciless HEROPASS

“Man is given a definite number of experiences—economizing them, he prolongs his life.”
Aphorism inscribed above the walls of the Study House at the Prieuré.

The secret to prolong the duration of our being-existence is in changing our relationship with the flow of Time. Time itself cannot change because Time is self-sufficient and self-independent, flowing of itself and by itself, and like the flow of Divine Love, Time flows wholeness and endlessness.
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ouzo and out,
@onceuponatime
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hey, once: Snap out of it!!!

@twiceuponatime

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To describe this post I have one word: It is powerful.
But this aphorism, that "Man is given a definite number of experiences—economizing them, he prolongs his life.” ... I think the opposite is true. On the contrary, in my opinion, the more feelings, experiences and emotions we experience, the deeper and more our life. Time is ruthless. So why should we be sad about this? We must live here and now, in this moment. And if you want to enjoy the view, then who dares you to ban. Just stop and watch. See as much time as your eyes require.

But perhaps it is more fruitful to go deeper into fewer experiences than to, in a shallow way, experience many more?

I think that for each person there is an answer to this question. We're all different, and that's great. So someone wants to go in depth, not in vain wasting. And someone else catches every moment of life, as a traveler water in the desert. All this is perfectly subjective. And I think that these opposites of views have their own charm.
We all choose our way, we go different ways. Isn't that great? But in the end, whatever path you choose, the winner will always be Time. It will compare us all at the end of the road.

I like your response. Thank goodness we are all different and have different perspectives.

@onceuponatime,
Seems like you are looking at the heaven from behind! I think it's an island!
(I am not an expert to explain feelings about the poetry.)

Cheers~

You are crazy

Thank you

@onceuponatime,
I challenged you for 7 day B&W Challenge Day #3 :D I hope you didn't notice it!
You are welcome!

Cheers~

"Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young
In a world of magnets and miracles
Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary
The ringing of the division bell had begun........
.............
The grass was greener
The light was brighter
The taste was sweeter
The nights of wonder
With friends surrounded
The dawn mist glowing
The water flowing
The endless river
Forever and ever"
(High Hopes, Pink Floyd)

Once upon a time, things were simpler, not striving to tame time...

"Magnets pull and push us 'round,
To cut the cord, a chord must sound."
..... spiral of friends

You only live once upon a time.. However it is impossible to see everything once.

Once you try, you realize how impossible it is...

But it must be fun trying. :)

@twiceuponatime seems to think differently.

Sir,your magazine.
I think you like it
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I like the red shoes!!

Thank you very much for encouraging me and I hope I'll create a post in a few days that you will love

You stolen my mind via amazing poetry and beautiful scenery indeed location @onceuponatime.

I didn't steal your mind! I just found it unattended, and I will turn it in to the Lost and Found Department LOL

Hahaha.........your humour is just amazing....you look like you r in ur teens.......but your posts express the maturity...,
@onceuponatime you are amazing

As a student of English poetry is really loveable to me....and I think in the word hopeless, without less there is still hope, so live your life without being depressed of bad moment..

Hope(less) - hey, you are right! Without "less" there is left Hope!

What is this place on the top photo? It's absolute stunner.

Well, as I am complaining about in this post, I didn't have time to even stop and ask its name as I drove by on the opposite side of this lake in Switzerland (much less cross over and visit the place).

a very nice look i think i should plan to visit it
I think it is the interesting content among all in this post

"Ο χρόνος είναι ο πιο διπροσωπος κύριος που θα συναντήσεις ποτέ στη ζωή σου. Κάποιες φορές είναι ο καλύτερος σου φίλος που θα γιατρέψει τις πληγές σου. Παρόλα αυτά παραμένει ο πιο αδυσώπητος εχθρός σου που αναπόφευκτα μια μέρα θα σε σκοτώσει χωρίς καν να σε ρωτήσει."

Translation:
" Time is the most duplicitous gentleman you will ever meet in your life. Sometimes he'll be your best friend and the one who will heal your wounds. However, he remains your most relentless enemy who will one day inevitably kill you without even asking."

Once, somewhere, a dude named Theodoros K.

Are you perhaps trying to say that "Time heals all wounds, and wounds all heels"? If so, you are very profound :-)

You are in my mind :P ha ha ha ;)

In your mind as a healer, or as a heel? (no discussions with siblings allowed LOL)

LMAO@no discussions with siblings allowed (My siblings are not at home at the moment lol)

You are in my mind as a hill...Crypto's highest and most respectful mountain! The lawyer in me! Sometimes I even impress myself with my devil's advocate skills :P LOL

Lawyers have to put their feelings aside :-)

" Time is the most duplicitous gentleman you will ever meet in your life. Sometimes he'll be your best friend and the one who will heal your wounds. However, he remains your most relentless enemy who will one day inevitably kill you without even asking."

Time can indeed be an enemy or a friend, but I believe our choices are responsible for what time dishes to us.

That's the thing about life @onceuponatime.
You can't see it all, so you just have to focus on making the best out of the experiences you're opportuned to have.

How to choose which ones to spend time with?

Something like that.
Pick the ones that offer the most value and make the best out of them.

I think that the solution is to have an "aim". Then you choose to engage with whatever moves you towards your aim, and disengage from what does not move you towards your aim.

Yeah.
There's a word for that; it's called Pareto's Principle. You basically summarized the concept with your comment.

I think that the Pareto Principle is the 80/20 rule and quite different from what I was attempting to explain.

I wasn't quite clear with that.

What I meant is that you summarized pareto's principle as it applies to self improvement.

A couple weeks ago I read The Focal Point by Brian Tracy. The book is all about how you can apply pareto's principle to your life. A lot of that information is still floating in my head.

The place looks stunning.Reminds me of a Greek island (that i have only seen in photos or documentaries since access is forbidden unless you belong to the elit) Skorpios

One thing is for sure.That time is ruthless.
I wish we could have that knowledge since our childhood...but it seems that we realize it as we get older
But there is no need for desperation dear @onceuponatime...

Have a great day!

I am desperate to overcome my desperation :-)

Well sometimes this is the hardest task.

A poem in replying to anotherfor this I answer with his verses
(Tasos Livaditis, 25th Rhapsody of the Odyssey)
"... Nerds - the time went on to flow,
the love to end,
life to go to hell
and I to cross the Infinity with the big stride

a mathematical calculation,
only whoever thirsts them all
can get me,
what we have lived,
is shattered in the rotten esophagus of time
and only once,
at nights,
a sad, aging ruminant is throbbed by the unexplored memory,
what we did not live in ... "

"the rotten esophagus of time"

Too cool!!!

thank you very much!!!
I'm sorry I do not have the power to vote to give you

@onceuponatime ... we only live once ...

"we only live once ..."

Got any proof of that?

There you go again overthinking things !

This is the first time i am seeing you write such a huge poem. I love the intensity in which you have written it. I was saying "oh damn" each time something intense came by like

"It is impossible to say just what I mean!
But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen"

well done sir :D

The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
BY T. S. ELIOT!!!! (not by @onceuponatime)

I thought just this was the song, my bad!

"S’io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma percioche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s’i’odo il vero,
Senza tema d’infamia ti rispondo."

Nevertheless incredible and intense lyrics!

Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky

Man these words are pretty amazing, touched my heart. The evening will spread out perfectly aganist the sky.

Yes it will.

@onceuponatime, What a glorious philosophy thoughts you've. But I have some didn't understand below. Pls provide me.

S’io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma percioche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s’i’odo il vero,
Senza tema d’infamia ti rispondo.

What a language you wrote there. Tremendous location founded.

I didn't write it LOL. That is a famous poem by T.S.Eliot. The part you quote is in Italian.

Ok....I'll found via translating software lol...

It's deep, the thing that we must go with the flow of time is very important when we try to stick to a relationship which already died early in the past it'll be full of pain if you keep it with you again, let them go. And hope for the best.

I know, eh. It's the relationships that stick to you that are problematic :-)

Yeah, some people including me have experienced this thing when a relationship meant to be end we were not ready to let it go and then we suffered the pain which is not explainable

Attractive place 👍 , @onceuponatime If you feel hopeless, you feel very unhappy because there seems to be no possibility of a better situation or success. He had not heard her cry before in this uncontrolled, hopeless way .
If someone is hopeless at something, they are very bad at it.

I know. I am hopelessly romantic, and thus very bad at it :-)

Time is relentless but such beauty must be enjoyed. Thanks for sharing such a wonderful writing.

But there is so much beauty, and so little time!

And would it have been worth it, after all,
Would it have been worth while,
After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets,
After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor

i like these lines too much, have a nice day dear..

They were probably meant for you then :-)

how do you know that??

Fate whispered in my ear :-)

really?? then you have a great talent.

do you know that??

This is Bellagio? 😍 If not, it looks a lot!!!

such a beautiful poem!!!

Not unless Bellagio is in Switzerland :-)

then it's Lugano? Bellagio is in Italy, but really close to the border with Switzerland, one hour ride by train

αγαπώ αυτό το τραγούδι αγάπης. Αφήνει την ψυχή

πάθει μάθος.

pathei-mathos!

@onceuponatime this is really deep. I sometimes feel like the World is just passing me by with the way I live. I need to travel more and explore

OK. You may :-)

@onceuponatime, You again put image your post of owner @twiceuponatime without ant permission. Why you doing again and again this :D

So, he can sue me :-)

Hi,

The landscape is wonderful, I wish I was there now. It's a poem full of feelings, you surprise us every time. Best wishes @onceuponatime.

It's a great place to travel or spend quallity time.Excellent capture sir.Such an interesting post, keep it up.

We should never be hopeless!
There always a hope when there is no hope!

To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.

Really very impressive picture
A distinctive song
Well done, my friend

Well, that's life
Sometimes we have to move on and just enjoy the momentary beauty of the places.

There are no word about your writing. Awesome ,powerful, and what i should say i don't know . I made your fan. Thanks for share this special post. God bless you

One thing is for sure.That time is ruthless.
I wish we could have that knowledge since our childhood...but it seems that we realize it as we get older

We realize that and a whole other stuff as we get older.

Childhood wouldn't be so much fun if we knew everything.

A part of the earth below the mountain on the bank of the river.

what an amazing place....

wow!! Really amazing song's word.motivations.great post.thanks to sharee....@onceuponatime

Dear @onceuponatime
Someone who's hopeless believes that nothing good can happen — a happy ending seems impossible. If you realize there's no way you'll pass your biology class, it's a hopeless situation.

hi, where did you take this beautiful photo?
it is amazing! :)

Wow look at that view, is that a view from your hotel or house?

It certainly seems like a prose poetry to Me, BY T. S. ELIOT, it's definitly a verse, or a lyrics then?

It is really stunning. Lucky you!

Amazing photography. Loosing hope is like loosing life itself, hope is the fuel that fuels our fight for a better tomorrow. Good write up

And indeed there will be time
For the yellow smoke that slides along the street,
Rubbing its back upon the window-panes;
There will be time, there will be time
To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet;
There will be time to murder and create,
And time for all the works and days of hands
That lift and drop a question on your plate;
Time for you and time for me,
And time yet for a hundred indecisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions,
Before the taking of a toast and tea.

Beautiful words. And the picture is absolutely amazing.

very nice one. time is self-sufficient indeed. experience teaches well and we should learn from it.

Time itself cannot change because Time is self-sufficient and self-independent, flowing of itself and by itself, and like the flow of Divine Love, Time flows wholeness and endlessness.

This is priceless and so is time.

Wonderful

Sometime there is a hope hidden inside hopelessness

I am not that great at poetry and do understand a little about them but i do like the feelings and depth of the meaning of the words that are hidden behind it.

I would love to explore my life and in ways that I never feel any regret in my life.

life is one, I loved each of the words that I read very deep

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