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RE: There Are No Absolute Truths (Part 2)

in #philosophy7 years ago (edited)

What if time and space are not part of the equation?

Time is movement through space. A measurement tool. The absolute truth would be that we can only have the now in which to live and the now is a zero point. No movement which means unmeasurable by time. And because time cannot measure without movement, space too is irrelevant.

So, if an absolute truth has to be one that is not affected by time or space then that would be the eternal and unmeasurable, now for neither of those exist in the now.

It would also imply that another truth is that whatever we do in the now is all that we can do in that space. The do is an action, but only measurable in hindsight and predictable in the future so absolutely frozen in space and time in the now.

It is close to 2 am so I am not sure how well I explained that but: The Now is a thing and can never be anything else. It is singular as anything that is not it, can ever substitute for it. There is no alternative.

How is my 2 am brain doing?

By the way. The entry image is one of my favourite cartoons .

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What if time and space are not part of the equation?

indeed. proving my point even more

The absolute truth would be that we can only have the now in which to live and the now is a zero point.

no such thing. you cannot freeze time still.

So, if an absolute truth has to be one that is not affected by time or space then that would be the eternal and unmeasurable

no evidence for anything eternal or unmeasurable.

Are you saying:
You can never freeze time?
Never prove eternity?

If something is unmeasurable it can not be measured therefore no evidence can ever exist. Can never be proven?

There is no possible measure for the now other than consciousness itself.

These nevers seem to stack up fast.

You can never freeze time?
Never prove eternity?

I never say never. It would be highly improbable (if you like to put it in mathematical terms).

There is no possible measure for the now other than consciousness itself.

As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as 'consciousness'. No single definition exist and the evidence is close to non-existent.

The 'now' would be both eternal and unmeasurable. Unless the now doesn't exist either and there is only past and future in your experience which would make this conversation awkward to say the least.

'Change' would also be an argument for an absolute truth.

well, by the time you measure the now it becomes the past.

Change' would also be an argument for an absolute truth.

Not really since there is an argument for the universe eventually coming to an end. It is true for the most part though.

If the end if the universe ends all it would make change absolutely true because at the time it stops, so does time and space. If time and space continue past that point, so does change. Absolutely true from start to finish. An argument for or against eternity can never be proven by a human for eternity is beyond the capabilities of limited understanding for it is the unlimited itself. Truths endure the limitations of small musings regardless of whether you or I consider it a null point, objectively true or perspectively true or completely false.

A truth does not care what either of us think.

Well, if time doesn't exist, how can it hold any quality or function?

An argument for or against eternity can never be proven by a human for eternity is beyond the capabilities of limited understanding for it is the unlimited itself.

exactly my point

A truth does not care what either of us think.

well, that's how we come to evaluate it...

pointless circles man. my point is that we can't know