So, you mean, that they don't produce milk if nobody milks them daily? I have no idea, because I have never heard of wild cows.
Of course you might be right if you compare it with calfs... but as said, I have no idea, apart from that our cows were breeded to give milk, even without calfs.
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@johannpiber A cow can only/start giving milk after she had a calf. The calf is taken away and instead of the calf machines take over the job. The more you milk the more milk they produce. If you slow it down it will be less.
The only thing I know is they bred all kinds of cows to give more and more milk. We had the "milk lake" and "butter mountain" in the Netherlands (too much but it was never cheaper for us) now the pigs and cows have to go because of the environment (an increase of nitrogen) and more houses can be built. Happy weekend.
That's what I do know too, but I wouldn't say it using such harsh words. Maybe Austria is different ... or has become different in the past years, because you can see more and more "Bio" products ... chicken have lots of free field to have fun, pigs are running around instead of living in cages, the cowa spend the summer on the mountains... 🙂
I wish you a happy weekend too @wakeupkitty 🙂
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@johannpiber I cannot say I see much difference. Since the cow madness of years ago we hardly see cows outside. The farmers have open stables and they can go out by themselves but prefer to stay in the stable. They seem to like 18C best and warm outside or cold they do not like. The stables are warm plus there are massage tools (?). You can kick them outside for the scenery but if they don't want.
Since years we can only buy bio eggs and those shops we have at least for 40 years or longer. Partly it is fake too, same what supermarkets sell. A free chicken is a chicken not in a cage but free is different. They are still packed close on each other and get shots to prevent illnesses. If you do not do that and they get ill you can clean them all up.
Food can still have the brand bio if pesticides are used but they are only allowed to use certain kinds and till a certain percentage.
I had chickens myself. To be honest my eggs didn't taste better and I don't know what is hidden in the ground and water either. Some were always fighting and they looked terrible as I bought them. I never saw pigs play except some of the neighbour, saw them hung upside down too after being killed.
I do not know the Netherlands and their farms, but I would suggest you to make holidays on an Austrian farm to see the difference.
Our Bio chicken live outside, but they have to stay in the chicken coop over night, because of the foxes, and even now in December the cows go still outside during the day.
This is one side, but the other one are egg farms and meat farms, just as you said. They still exist, of course, and as long as the people buy the cheap meat they will exist.
Have a nice Sunday @wakeupkitty 🙂
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@johannpiber it is not about the cheap meat only. Neither the costs for the animals. You can not have these farms everywhere people don't like it plus the chance/risks of diseases increases. The taxes are sky high. The Dutch government wants to buy out most farmers. Instead of "smelly" animals we will have smelly people. I hardly eat meat and only know with us it is extremely expensive and you mainly buy water. Shopping in Germany saves a lot money.
Who knows I can visit such a farm once. For now I only drive to Austria or sleep on a parking lot in my car. ❤️
You see me speechless ... ok, you don't see me, but you might be able to imagine me sitting here with an open mouth and don't know what to say.
A lot must have changed since I was last in the Netherlands, but that has been in the eighties ;)
So, because I have no idea what I could reply - living in the Netherlands must have become horrible - all I can say is I wish you a great day @wakeupkitty 🙂
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@johannpiber I think it depends on where you live. I am happy I no longer live in Rotterdam or Amsterdam and my children not grew up in these cities. If you are rich you might have a better place to live where you are not confronted with the life outside.
Happy day.
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